MacShane saddened – How does he think we feel?

Last weeks ‘Tiser carried a response from Denis MacShane, Rotherham’s very own disgraced Ex-Labour MP to Michael Elmer’s letter published the previous week, he was clearly upset, I quote firstly the version published:

“I was saddened to read a letter talking about Ed Miliband and the Labour Party as “Scum Labour” (see Advertiser, September 9).
Coarse abuse permeates too much of our political debate.
Readers would be astonished at the abusive, foul language in emails and letters I get but there is always the delete button or wastepaper basket.
But should this kind of gutter vocabulary appear in our local newspaper? I note the letter was written by someone living in Beckenham.
I hope the local weekly in Beckenham would not publish a letter from Rotherham about Scum Conservatives or Scum Liberal Democrats.
I am all for robust debate and vivid language, but calling a mainstream democratic political party scum debases political discourse and degrades political Language.

Denis MacShane MP, House of Commons, London.

Secondly with my comments added:

“I was saddened to read a letter talking about Ed Miliband and the Labour Party as “Scum Labour” (see Advertiser, September 9). Labour has been called a damn sight worse in it’s time!
Coarse abuse permeates too much of our political debate. This I agree with but sadly we are unlikely to see any improvement any time soon?
Readers would be astonished at the abusive, foul language in emails and letters I get but there is always the delete button or wastepaper basket. I doubt any reader of this blog would be surprised at all, some of our readers were likely to be authors of some of them, after all.
But should this kind of gutter vocabulary appear in our local newspaper? I note the letter was written by someone living in Beckenham. Not gutter vocabulary!
I hope the local weekly in Beckenham would not publish a letter from Rotherham about Scum Conservatives or Scum Liberal Democrats. Don’t see why not if the local Liberals or Tories acted in the way Labour behaves in Rotherham!
I am all for robust debate and vivid language , but calling a mainstream democratic political party scum debases political discourse and degrades political Language. Can’t see how?
Denis MacShane MP, House of Commons, London.

Would be interested in your views, please leave them as a comment.

Accidental Anarchist

14 thoughts on “MacShane saddened – How does he think we feel?

      • Hiya Patrick,

        You’re not strictly correct there, my dear old RMBC Community Champion mucker,

        You need to commit a criminal offence,
        which is reported,
        then investigated,
        and then be charged with the offence,
        and then appear in a court,
        AND … wait for it …
        BE CONVICTED of the offence …

        Trust me my friend, I’ve been part of the apprehending process on quite a few occasions in this long, interesting and very adventurous public service life that I’ve lead …

        And the bad news is this …
        that Prison’s only full of those WE’VE CAUGHT AND CONVICTED 😦

        Which obviously means that there’s plenty of “offenders” who slip through the system and are out and about enjoying themselves by maybe helping themselves to your property, or mine, or someone elses. … or making false expenses claims even …

        Try a volunteer night shift around Rotherham town my dear friend, it will make your eyes pop out, your toes curl, and your eyes wiggle 🙂

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  1. I have to say that I agree with Denis on this issue 110%.

    The term “Scum Labour” will always scar the political debate since it was introduced by Mr Hegan (even though he is Ind…go figure and let me have the answer) and has therefore marked a sad time in politics in Rotherham.

    Denis MacShane is the Member of Parliament for our town and should be treated with a certain amount of respect by people when dealing with him on an individual basis. Criticise him for his politics, but abusing him is down right unacceptable. I hold no truck with certain views of Mr MacShane and the gentleman and I will have that debate when the time is right BUT I will certainly never, ever, use the foul language that he and Labour Cllrs have to tolerate from a bunch of bored coffee morning attendee’s who have decided to stand as Ind candidates in elections or to waste valuable public money demanding to know what Roger Stone has on his salad.

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    • Oh sweetheart who’s asked what he has on his salad?

      Am I to assume that as a Doncaster resident and thus a non-Rotherham voter, resident or taxpayer you wholeheartedly endorse and approve of a political party leader constantly taking gifts from local business people, and the same business people then sitting on elected members independent remuneration panels which recommend raised allowances for those same elected members without having to declare conflicts of interest?

      No doubt you would be just as satisfied if a Chief Police Officer were to be accepting similar gifts and appointing friends and cronies and you’d never become uneasy that impartiality or exposure to undue influence had maybe clouded the Officer’s judgement and rightly put both them and their organisation in the firing line for accusations of serious lacks of judgement and loss of reputation and impartiality.

      You may not be old enough to remember back in the 60s when the Metropolitan Police uncovered detectives and uniformed branch who were accepting “perks”. This rightly caused a severe public loss of confidence in the impartiality of the Met.

      I’m truly glad that I don’t live in your world Patrick, cos I’d be bumping into things all day and night with those heavy rose tinted specacles that you wear.

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  2. The jibe and quite boring ‘when I was a lad’ and ‘this wouldn’t have happened in my day’ nonsense only gets to see the light of day when people like you are losing the argument about the issues of today, harking back to the 60’s and somehow trying to imply that without knowledge of the issues then leaves me with a lack of foresight and judgement today is quite old. Yawn!

    Anyway, I suggest you take your allegations to the authorities as I certainly don’t want to comment on them…which I suggest you won’t do as airing them on here makes you look so much more of a Man of All Things Right as opposed to a concerned resident doing his duty.

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    • Dear ChampionTheCommunityHorse,

      I’ve done more duty in one night while you were suckling than you will ever be aware of, but that’s the job I proudly did and was incredibly good at … but that was back in the day.

      As you are an out-of-towner, a non-Rotherham resident, citizen, voter, or community charge payer, your responses, views, and opinions are like rain drops on ventile …

      Get some wool on your back lad, then come back and pull up a sandbag, and maybe i may chat some more with you when I’m inbetween more important things to do.

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  3. Hi Rothpol,

    I’m doing the perimeter check to keep out all cowans and intruders to free speech and radical thought, it’s all clear and everyone’s a-bed so I’ll stand down and return to the guardroom.

    Lights out 🙂

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  4. And here’s Rik’s update –
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Update: I thought this information piece might at the very least excite some comment – little did I expect to shake the two Labour members out of hiding that it has.

    Firstly Community Champion, a Labour member who hails from Conisborough and a callow youth and secondly Stewart Platt, a Labour member From Maltby who is also a Maltby Town Councillor and who is definitely old enough to know better, have been misbehaving while the shop was left unattended! I hope these two miserable Labour specimens, might reflect on their evident foolishness, childishness or even worse and apologise, on behalf of their party for bringing Labour and Maltby Town Council in to disrepute and subject to ridicule!

    The attitudes displayed are an affront to democracy especially when coming from members of ‘a mainstream left-wing democratic political party’, they display all the arrogance of power, Labour dictatorships in both their home boroughs, a basic disdain of anyone who challenges them at the polls, or their opinions or indeed even asks questions!

    Rik
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Yeah, those two Labour members mentioned in despatches may wish the world would assume the deep red rosy hue of one of them’s high prescripton complex lens tinted spectacles, but those of us who vote Labour, but don’t support them with our money through party membership, find the current antics of the Corn Fed Hogs and Muppets and the Cabinet Clown to be deeply repugnant in the extreme.

    And no amount of tantrums or loud shouting on their two parts, or any of their kling-on muckers, will dissuade us from our civic duty to scrutinise, challenge and hold to account those who we freely elect and pay handsomely (more than Sheffield City Council ) to govern our wonderful Rotherham Borough on our behalf with our consent.

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