Invitation from Rotherham Marxist Discussion Group

Referring to your invitation to post meetings and times on your website, I would like cordially to invite anyone who might be interested to the inaugural meeting of the Rotherham Marxist Discussion Group.

It is planned to hold the meeting on the first Monday of each month at the Bridge Inn starting at 7.30 next week 4th Nov.

It is intended not to be a barnstorming left wing sectarian group, but a serious debating society covering all the teachings of Marx and Engels plus a range of other aspects – using a Marxist analysis – that have affected our town and the situation we currently find ourselves in.

The first meeting will discuss the miners strike and its effect on our local community. It is a topic that most local people will be able to join in on, and that, it is hoped, will break the ice so to speak, and other more in depth Marxist subjects will follow.

Then we can sort out (democratically) how the group will go forward, and elect a chair-person etc.

You may feel free to post my email address. No doubt it’s hacked anyway!

Dave Platts.

See also: Rotherham Diary Dates

20 thoughts on “Invitation from Rotherham Marxist Discussion Group

    • Tim Stanley is a relatively good contrarian , far better than his blog.telegraph compatriot Dellingpole (and with a far far better academic background!),
      But do we really have to discuss the views of a man who describes himself with the words
      ” I define my politics as Anarcho-Catholic – an eclectic kind of pacifistic, red meat eating, gun loving, tax hating, Buddha hugging voodoo. I’m temperamentally conservative, but neither a Tory nor a Republican. I love America deeply and I suspect she is the last hope for mankind (I really don’t want to have to learn Chinese).”

      Just let me out of this discussion.

      Just to show that I am neither Labour or Democrat:
      I once knew a girl who was known as the “gob-on-a-stalk”, then Owen Jones came along and we had to find a new name for her.


  1. The ideology that makes the atrocities of national socialism look like a vicar’s tea party and whose progeny – cultural terrorism (political correctness) is destroying western civilisation as we speak.


    • The ten million deaths in just one outbreak of National Socialism could never be described as a Vicar’s Tea Party.

      I would never wish to excuse what happened in Russia under Stalin or Cambodia under Pol Pot , or what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But nothing can excuse what happened in the gas chambers of the SS. Relativism has no meaning in the context of evil.


      • Deeply offensive to equate what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to the actions of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot or Mao. The British soldiers who had fought in Europe and were waiting to be sent to the Pacific for an eventual invasion of Japan – made necessary by the intransigence of the Emperor and his generals – were damn glad the atom bombs brought the war to an end more quickly. Have a look at the estimates for Allied losses if the invasion had taken place.


  2. The libraries and classrooms, all over the world, are littered with books that attempt to twist and distort the teachings of Marx and Engels: all written by “academics” who have a vested interest in the present political and economic system (the bourgeoisie). It is hardly surprising then, that most people have a view on the foremost modern-day philosophers which is at odds with their exposition on society, both historical and modern-day; and also their brilliant analysis on the capitalist system. Indeed, the lessons Marx taught – far from being dead and wrong – are being quoted in the nerve centers of the worlds most prestigious financial institutions, especially since the 2007 crisis.
    The subjects we intend to explore and discuss, will include the classics: The Communist Manifesto, The Origin of The Family, Private Property And The State, Historical and Dialectical Materialism, The Part Played By Labour In The Development From Ape To Man, and many others.
    We will also discuss the more contentious subjects including: The Russian Revolution, The Spanish Revolution And The Civil War,China and of course; the current economic crisis and the role of the workers Party.
    Look forward to seeing as many of our readers as possible.
    Dave Platts


  3. Far from being hotbeds of reactionary thinking, classrooms and universties are infested by overgrown adolescents still peddling the same clapped-out Marxist slogans. When are arguments like “We have never seen a real Marxist system in action” or “Unlike me, most people are too stupid to understand what the great genius really said” finally going to be consigned to history?
    The fundamental cause of the 2007 crash was ill-informed government attempts at social engineering. As usual, politicians dabble in things they don’t understand and then stand back in amazement when the s**t hits the fan. They never, of course, suffer the consequences.


  4. Opponents of Marxism – the people with all the wealth and power – are incapable of debating the scientific analysis of his thee fundamental component parts of history in an open forum. They, with all the apparatus at their disposal – the press and media, and schools and universities – resort to building up a baseless caricature of Marx in order to make it easier to discredit his and Engels’ works.They build a model of straw, all the easier to knock it down.
    Like the works and findings of Aristotle, Copernicus and Darwin, it is trashed (Marxism) by people who have an interest in the old order of things.
    I, unreservedly, am biased in my presentation of an economic and political system that I support: I would be – I am a toiler. The people who control the state and own all the wealth, will obviously be as unreservedly biased as me – they are rich and powerful.
    That though, does not exclude me from studying the progress of our species throughout history, and the types of societies that have served to preserve life and develop the productive forces.
    Having explained my opinions on our contributors efforts, it would be of great interest to me,and I’m sure many of our readers, to here his or her analysis of the latest financial crash.
    I thought it was the collapse of Lehman’s and the deficit financing of debt that brought it all about. But I’m always prepared to listen to the experts!


    • Pretty Close, Rev!

      It was largely the unforeseen consequences of deregulation.
      In UK:
      – the so-called “Big Bang” in October 1986, and the, progressively from 1989, loosening of the rules governing Building Societies – allowing them to demutualise and become banks .
      In the US:
      – the gradual untying of the the provisions of the Glass-Segal Act,
      On another more local level, it’s impact could be seen as a consequence of the absolute dominance that the City of London and to a lesser extent New York have in the world’s financial markets. (The bigger they are the harder the …), and they keep on growing!
      “Foreign exchange market turnover in the United Kingdom increased by 47 per cent from April 2010 to April 2013. While over the same period, turnover in OTC interest rate derivatives increased by 9 per cent. The United Kingdom remains the single largest centre of foreign exchange activity with 41 per cent of global turnover in April 2013, increasing from 37 per cent in 2010. The United Kingdom also remains the largest centre for OTC interest rate derivatives activity with 49 per cent of global turnover, up from 47 per cent in 2010.”
      OTC = “over the counter” – as opposed to exchange traded.
      Interest Rate Derivatives are mainly what are commonly known as Interest Rate Swaps.

      The person here who said that “[t]he fundamental cause of the 2007 crash was ill-informed government attempts at social engineering” may however have some real insights into the subject that they could share with thee rest of us.


  5. In answer to Rev, It is becoming increasingly apparent recently that the Banks and Financial institutions operate independently of any rules or regulations – legally or morally. New revelations about Libor, PPI and under selling of interest rates to ordinary account holders are being unfolded on a daily basis.
    They operate in a world of their own, dealing in fictitious wealth, and breaking even their own guidelines.
    When the crash came, which the Marxists had long predicted, it wasn’t the state that baled them out, it was ordinary people (mainly poor and unrepresented) who did the baling, and will be for the foreseeable future.
    The state was formed by the people who own the wealth, not the people who created the wealth, to protect them from the expropriated. And rather, as Rev is suggesting, that the state baled the Bankers out, it will be the state (in all it’s forms) that will ensure that we do.


    • Thanks David

      Unlike the right who see the state as some amorphous impersonal threat to freedoms I believe the state is an expression of our common identity, existing, as you say, ideally to protect the weak and vulnerable. We dismantle it at our peril and we now seeing this as we are turning back the clock in areas of health and social care, education, utilities and food. In these arenas the poor are losing out while a few individuals enrich themselves at everyone else’s expense, creating a two-tier society of winners and losers.


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