25 thoughts on “Steve Webster takes Labour on in Rotherham West

  1. Is it me but isn’t UKIP leaflets overly simplistic and rather patronising. They seem to be collecting all the problems they can find and promising a magic solution. Heard of Jesus feeding the 5000 with some loafs and fish, but Ukip are over doing it abit.

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  2. Nothing simplistic, looks like common sense policies to me. As for manifesto’s they aren’t worth the paper they are printed on, I am more concerned with the values of the parties. UKIP’s biggest benefit is Swiss style democracy, that will take power from the government and give it back to the people.

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    • You mean federalism but wouldn’t that create more costs and would it be wise to give so much power to small groups, remember Rotherham problems were created by having a one party in dominance?

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      • Switzerland is one of the richest countries in the world and have about 5 national referendums a year. They can vote on anything if a set % of the electorate sign a petition, what ever they vote on then becomes law, the people are more powerful than their government. As we moved from a King to a Parliament, we now have to move from a Parliament to the people. I trust myself to make decisions more than the people I elect to do it on my behalf, who have abused that power, like the King did.

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      • UKIP activist.
        Have you ever even visited Switzerland? If you have where did you go? ow long did you stay?
        I lived in Switzerland for more than 4 years, and find your view of it totally and utterly unreal. Sorry.
        Swissinfo.ch is a useful site if you really want to learn a little bit about the country.

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  3. The leaflet is something of a mish mash. It purports to be “Our pledge to Rotherham residents” yet the majority of the “pledges” are predicated on, what even the most optimistic Kippers must realise is an unlikely event, a UKIP majority in parliament. Unless UKIP is in government it wouldn’t be able to keep the NHS free at the point of need (I’m far from convinced they would do this in any case given the comments of Farage and Nuttall). It wouldn’t be able to guarantee priority for forces veterans re social housing or a guaranteed job in the border agency, prison or police services (a somewhat ambitious pledge for any party to give) nor would it be able to reduce foreign aid. In all probability UKIP will not be in government so wouldn’t it be better to hear what they would do in opposition? Also, I’d be interested to know exactly what the other Rotherham UKIP councillors are doing to fight council waste and promote openness and transparency.

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    • I’m not affiliated to any party and vote on the issues in each election.
      I read the recent posts about the history of the Labour Party with interest. In that same theme I feel the text of the Labour Party’s 1918 General Election Manifesto is quite telling.

      http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1918/1918-labour-manifesto.shtml

      Labour were not to form their first government until 6 years later in 1924. A government that only survived from January to November. Few amongst the Labour party in 1918 had any expectation of forming the government in that election. Yet that did not stop the pioneers of the Labour party from putting forward their policies for what a Labour government would do.

      For the 1918 General Election they produced a manifesto in which they aspired to influence international diplomacy at Versailles, give Ireland and India their freedom, land nationalisation, a million homes, put forward much needed social and educational reform.
      No doubt the press and Tories of the time mocked the Labour pioneers for their aspirations in the same way Robin Symonds is mocking UKIP.

      You cannot criticise UKIP for having no policies one day and then when they put forward policies criticise them for being aspirational.
      “The greater danger for most of us is not in setting our aim to high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark.”
      Michelangelo

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      • Aspirational? I think it’s misleading to say “UKIP will…” It’s also misleading to have a joint leaflet featuring their PPC and local election candidate. However much UKIP aspires, it can’t do most of what it pledges via Rotherham Town Hall!

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  4. How would a Rotherham councillor have any influence over er the bed room tax , foreign aid etc? Does Mr Webster have any thing to say on local issues? Don’t all candidates claim to be for openess? How would Mr Webster make the council more open? More empty rhetoric from UKIP.

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  5. UKIP give the impression of being a refreshing change but I wonder….They are fighting the wrong battles imho. Fiscal recovery can only come from restoring taxation justice to boost revenue and with it, the political power that goes with the restoration of fiscal powers, thus shoring up democracy. btw whatever happened to “no taxation without representation? Be a non-dom or high earner and pay the Tories £50k and/or pay no tax and you can still bend Cameron’s ear over dinner. Be a low or middle income earner paying your taxes via paye faithfully and the politicians will ignore you. Pulling out of the EU won’t actually restore sovereignty nor democracy nor good public services. Why not? Because UKIP are really a thatcherite right wing party ergo they will not tackle the inequitable distribution of both wealth and power within the UK. So, even if we pulled out of the EU, with UKIP in charge, the benefits would be redistributed unequally: eg to private contractors sucking life out of the nhs, in defence spending (with private contractors sucking blood up there too) and in all other areas: education, social care, justice system (more of the same from privatisation). When you think long and hard enough UKIP present nothing different from the right wing LIb-lab-conners. Only a truly populist and democratically accountable left wing party can deliver real change. Go Greece!
    BTW I went to Dulwich College where, before you accuse me of toff-ism, I was bullied for espousing democratic left-wingism against the tide of a bunch of spoiled daddy-boys (ie I tried to share what was then Labour party policy, how times change!). Nigel Farage was two years below me but I have no recollection of him. He made little impact obviously – and his policies won’t either because they won’t change the basic problems…

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    • Rev,
      Dulwich College is not particularly toff-ist, even though it is one of the Eton Group of schools, and it is a very good school. Graham Able – until recently the headmaster, is someone I knew well and really admired when he was in charge at Hampton, my son’s school, I was angry that he left for Dulwich, his replacement at Hampton was a disaster.
      But Farage went on, not to university, but to the City of London and of all places the London Metal Exchange (LME), a nasty and grubby place to work (IMHO) compared with his father’s stockbroking or soft commodity or precious metals trading or banking.

      Everything else you write is spot on, but I am terrified of the consequences of the Greek election. They should not have been in the euro in the first place.

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    • UKIP is only the first step, we have to shut the barn door even though the horse has escaped. If all I get out of UKIP is direct democracy, then I will be a happy person. The country is run by the civil service and each subsequent government has little effect on that.

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  6. Hi RR Thanks! interesting, I was at DC mainly when Charles Lloyd was head, a great bloke. My comments were really self defense as I notice our Nige was criticised in the Tiser this week for being an Old Alleynian. Dc was really a minor nouveau riche kind of place.

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      • Yes but there are plenty of people in jobs in the UK who contribute nothing to society, if anything holding people back, even tough they would like to claim they add value. The Carbon Trust would be the first Quango I wrote into history.

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      • ukip activist
        Quangos are ” arms-length bodies funded by government departments but not run by them.”
        The Carbon Trust is a “Not for Dividend Private Company Limited by Guarantee” .
        There is a difference.

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    • “Dc was really a minor nouveau riche kind of place.” Exactly.
      I son now lives a couple of miles from DC, and we spend a lot of time over in the Horniman – a delightful place.
      With him having spent the previous 4 years in the excellent Swiss state school system, Hampton was one of only two schools locally that we all thought he might survive in, Tho’ afterwards he regretted not going to Teddington Comp – where he would have been in the same class as Keira Knightley.

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  7. On a lighter note and the subject of schooling I went to Colley Comprehensive, Parson Cross, Sheffield 5. My best friend was ‘Emmajay’ Johnstone. Neither of us are really famous – though she was a former Miss Pears – where as I – I just used the soap and aged very quickly.

    However, I’d just like to use this theme to remind everyone about a certain IDS’s claims re his education. I know it’s slightly off thread but concerning the horrible little man why not bring it up again; especially since he looks down on everyone else while telling porkies.

    “His (IDS) claim that he studied at the University of Perugia was later found to be false after an investigation by the BBC. His office subsequently admitted that he attended the Italian Università per Stranieri (founded 1921) in Perugia for a year but he did not obtain any qualifications or finish his exams. In 1975 he attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and was subsequently commissioned into the Scots Guards.Duncan Smith’s biography, on the Conservative Party website, claimed he was “educated at Dunchurch College of Management” but following questioning by the BBC his office confirmed that he did not get any qualifications there either, stating that he completed six separate courses lasting a few days each, adding up to about a month in total.Dunchurch was the former staff college for GEC Marconi, for whom Duncan Smith worked in the 1980.”

    And here endeth the lesson on never trust a Tory.

    SKT xxxx

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