Musings on the election so far….1 The dog that isn’t barking.

Where are Respect? Where are you Yvonne Ridley, where are the local young Mirpuri origin voters who want an alternative to the misogynistic biraderi leadership;  the anti education, pro caste leadership who have so damaged their community and those young people of ambition?

Have the community leaders been wielding the big stick? Bullying some, ostracising others to ensure unity behind the Mosque committee’s will, and withdraw from Respect?

Or have Respect realised they can’t win, and have decided that the pleasure of simply splitting the Mirpuri vote and thereby keeping out Ali,  Akhtar and Mahroof  isn’t worth the subsequent persecution and approbrium heaped upon their heads..

It is of interest because of the impact upon local elections in central Rotherham. Even more so is the insight it gives into how the Mirpuri community is responding to the Jay and Casey reports…are they changing leadership. Or are they retrenching and putting up the barriers, seeking protection behind the old ways?

The candidates, Mohammed Ilyas, Taiba Yasseen & Tajamal Khan  put forward with the mosque’s approval and selected  by Labour, are all of the Ali/Akhtar/Mahroof mould; from that relatively small group of self nominated leading families.

Don’t be fooled by the selection of a woman, Taiba, and think the community is somehow liberalising. The fact is that she was selected from a women only short list. Taiba is fairly well known for saying a lot while doing very little…other than acting as a representative for the Taxi Drivers Union.

Equally appreciate that Ian Paul Jones is a political ally of the old guard Mirpuri, and was only selected for Rotherham West with their nod of approval.

Nothing is as it seems.

Many had hoped that the disgraced coterie would have backed off or that rebellion within the community would have allowed  some fresh leadership to emerge. Instead we have three candidates from the same crew, the apologist CSE wing of the Mirpuri.

So where are the dissidents? Will they vote for other Party’s or withdraw in disgust from a political process so dominated by  their ignorant, self seeking misogynist old guard?

I feel a genuine concern for the community’s  young people. They must feel trapped between a white community that can appear to reject them, and elders who proffer them little for the future. Many of whom talk up Islam, while actually using it for self interest and ignoring their own preachings.

Which way will they go?

Wuff Justice

47 thoughts on “Musings on the election so far….1 The dog that isn’t barking.

  1. One day all councillors will be asian in Rotherham some people don’t like this.
    Mirpur is a rich village with talented people and very rich people.

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  2. You can bet this isn’t the only subject discussed by the Mosque Committees. How long will it be before a group of young Muslims from Rotherham go off to fight for Islamic State??

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  3. why do we hear nothing from Lord Amhed or other senior muslims about the scandal are they hoping if they are quiet we will forget the young asians dare not go against the senior muslims wishes

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  4. The same head in the sand culture that allowed the rape of children in Rotherham, where are the true, brave leaders of this community when you need them?

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    • Remember, if it wasn’t for those Polictical correct, Multi-cultrualists, forgot that rape is offence, even worse againist children, White poeple in the Labour Party, Council, Social Services and Police, then the Pakistani rapists wouldn’t have got away with it, even to this day and in the future.

      The blame lays squarely with the Pakistani community for not bringing up these lowlife with decency and morals and also with the idiot, who will be re-elected in May. You reap what you sow.

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  5. Wuff says “I feel a genuine concern for the community’s young people. They must feel trapped between a white community that can appear to reject them, and elders who proffer them little for the future.” and asks, “Which way will they go?”
    It’s a valid question, and the comments above only highlight those young people’s dilemma.
    I could only suggest they get a good education and then get out of this area; maybe to a more tolerant and culturally diverse part of UK – and they do exist; or leave UK completely – Canada would be the country I’d suggest, Toronto is a good city to live in, irrespective of one’s race or religion.
    (This was the advice I gave many years ago to a Kenyan-born Sikh Punjabi close friend whose family had settled in England when he was 10 – he took it, and has never looked back. I just wish he had been able to take his sister with him.)

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    • They have the same opportunities and rights has every other culture, which has settle in Britian. They choose to abuse this country hospitality, by committing the most heinous crimes against children. Regardless of religion, upbringing and social exclusion, which they have foster themselves, by not intergrating with the community. They have cause this problem, why should the majority suffer it.

      And before you claim, that most abuse againist children are committed by Whites, this can no longer be true, as we still don’t know the true extent of the Pakistani (Muslim) depraved criminality. What does this say about their tolerant religion hey!!!

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      • UK Nationally most abuse against children is committed by White British.
        Locally the statistics can be somewhat different.
        Just as obviously, in areas with few Muslims, few Muslim girls are abused, yet the Home Office researcher found that in Rotherham a disproportionate number of Pakistani-heritage (compared with White British) girls were reporting abuse. .
        I first came across what I later recognised as a CSE related problem in Nottingham in the mid 1970s, it did not involve any immigrant community. I’ve told the story to Rik and to Sally Ann I have no intention of repeating it here.

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    • “…a more tolerant and culturally diverse part of UK – and they do exist…” really? A raft of studies on this subject suggest that the opposite is the case and that ethnically diverse areas are in fact less tolerant and characterised by amongst other things; less trust, less volunteer work and less charity giving. They do though seem to “coincide” with increased mental health problems.

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      • @RR.
        It is not my description. It is from the findings of studies produced by various bodies ranging from academics to the CBI and the Home Office. Of course if it does not fit into your worldview then feel free to ignore the results of empirically based evidence.

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      • @RR;
        Putnam, ‘E Pluribus Unum: Diversity and Community in the 21st century.’
        Kahn(UCLA) and Costa(MIT), 2003 paper reviewing 15 recent studies on the subject.
        Pickett and Wilkinson, ‘People Like us: ethnic group density effects on health’,( Ethnicity and Health 2008).
        Saran Singh, ‘Prospect’ magazine, October 2010- on his 2007 work on mental illnesses and migrant minorities.

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      • Rob, I’ll try and access the reports you have cited, the subject does interest me.
        All I can say is that Lewisham and much of SE London is culturally diverse, and doesn’t show anything that would indicate “less trust, less volunteer work and less charity giving”, in fact it’s community spirit is quite inspiring. (But Lewisham council itself is hopeless! ).

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      • RR, the Save Lewisham A&E campaign was an inspiration and a perfect example of a whole community coming together as a force for good.

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      • Hi Rob,
        Both the Putnam and the Pikett & Wilkinson are behind paywalls – so I can only read the abstracts.
        I can find no reference to Saran Singh anywhere.
        Kahn and Costa – it’s not clear what paper that is, but this is available and does note ” Since 1997, at least 15 empirical papers have investigated the consequences of heterogeneity for social capital” and discusses a few of them in general terms – hardly a systematic review:
        http://web.mit.edu/costa/www/costa.kahn.1.4pdf.pdf (it is not complete – the figures are missing).
        Presumably you have read it.

        I’ll just highlight one section on page 9.
        “International Evidence
        Both high income inequality and low ethnic heterogeneity predict low membership across some, though not all, western European countries (see figure 1). The fraction of the population participating actively in a group is very high in Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Germany, all of which have relatively low income inequality and high ethnic heterogeneity. Similarly, the fraction of the population participating actively in a group is low in Belgium, Spain, and the United Kingdom, all of which have relatively high heterogeneity of income and ethnicity. These fit our hypothesis.
        Conversely, Italy, Ireland, France, and Portugal have lower rates of participation than one would expect from their high levels of income and ethnic homogeneity. Participation in the Netherlands marginally fits our hypothesis; Denmark and Austria are ambiguous if heterogeneity is measured by income disparities and contradict our argument if the measure is ethnic difference.
        [FIGURE 1 WILL GO HERE]
        Figure 1 poses the interesting riddle of what other factors, besides community heterogeneity, help to determine civic engagement. Unfortunately, we cannot do much on this question with our few data points and the kind of evidence we have available. ”
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        They could easily have removed the “ambiguity” of Denmark by aggregating and publishing only an overall figure for the Nordic countries; equally they could – if they had had the data – reported on their variables at the level of the different language groups in Finland, Belgium and Spain. That would have been illuminating.
        Now to go back to what I wrote, which was “…a more tolerant and culturally diverse part of UK – and they do exist…”
        Nothing in Kahn and Costa contradicts that – it simply doesn’t have the necessary level of granularity.
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        In their “survey” of other papers, they cite three papers by Eliana La Ferrara (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=0X-zKUYAAAAJ&hl=en) – she is excellent – and she does her own fieldwork – I met her once in Nairobi – she works at a level of granularity that shows up what I was describing, based on my observations in UK.
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        Do you have access to the other papers, via Athena or Jstor? Or did you just copy the citations from a list you found somewhere in the web?
        … and if you can come up with the Home Office paper that you claim exists – I’ll certainly read and comment on that.
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        Certainly I would suggest that my “worldview” as you call it, is both rather more empirical and observational than anything I read in that particular paper.

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      • Robin,
        I see that Farage is saying that “Only middle-class white people think Ukip is racist, says Nigel Farage as he claims he gets a great reception in ‘black parts of London’ ” and “‘I stopped this morning to get some newspapers in a petrol station in Catford [south east London]. Everybody was black, getting petrol, buying newspapers,’ he said. ‘It’s unbelievable, they all wanted selfies and pictures. And the only people who think Ukip are racist are white people, middle class white people. ‘Come with me to a black part of south London, walk down the street, and you will find black people going: ‘Hey man, good to see you‎”.
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054153/Only-middle-class-white-people-think-Ukip-racist-says-Nigel-Farage-claims-gets-great-reception-black-parts-London.html
        Yes Nigel, that’s Lewisham for you – the people are friendly, even when they know you are a bigot and would never vote for your party.
        “Nigel Farage: parts of Britain are ‘like a foreign land’ – he said describing a train journey that took him through the same part of London.
        http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/28/nigel-farage-ukip-immigration-speech

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  6. @RR Could you direct me to any research, which has show a comparable figure for this type of abuse, over a sustained period of time, committed againist a particular ethnic, religious, age and gender in another town in the UK. Bearing in mind that the true figure could be over several thousands of girls, who were desecrated by another ethnic group other than their own. We all know that abuse happens in all cultures and communities, but I am unaware of anything like what happen in Rotherham and other Towns. This was the purest form of Raceism there has ever been.

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    • Somehow I think that had it been 1400 girls of Pakistani heritage that had been abused by white men, the response by the Pakistani community would have been different.

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    • I think yu mis-understood what I was trying to say.
      Yes, their are clusters of abuse – the Rotherham/Rochdale/Oxford model is one of them. The Catholic church model is another, as is the (alleged) Janner etc model. Wherever there are kids who can be taken advantaged of, someone will take advantage of them. All of them are equally reprehensible.
      If there is one consistent theme across many of those models, it is that the kids were in care homes.

      “This was the purest form of Raceism there has ever been.”
      OK, if you say so; but I have a very different definition of racism and most likely very different experiences to yours.
      You can have the last word.

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      • Most of the models of abuse you mention, were by organisation, ie the Catholic Church, political elite. This model was something totally different. It involves a race, culture, a belief which believes it is ok to have sex with children. Mohammed had sex with his woman/child at 6 or 9, depending on the version of Islam. This was group rape, whereas the other forms of abuse, was usually carried out by a single perptrator. I can’t find out anywhere where the abusers in this other forms, actually encourage family members to particate in these heinous crimes.

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  7. Just when you thought that the Rotherham Pakistani community was moving forward with Respect leading the change along comes the very same influences that allowed children to be raped and abused.

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  8. @Regular Reader

    “UK Nationally most abuse against children is committed by White British.”

    Given the mass cover-up there is no way of knowing if this is true or not.

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    • There are ways we can get useful indications, and these are the basis of my assertions.

      If we look only at the Gangs and Groups (Rotherham) model, Fullfact say:
      https://fullfact.org/crime/sex_offender_asian_white_proportion_grooming_rotherham-34810
      It is unlikely that their assessment is far out irrespective of the size of the “coverup” .
      But that is just one model of abuse. .
      When we come to the the wider issue of overall child abuse,
      The 2011 census says:
      White 87.2%, black/African/Caribbean/black British 3%, Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%, Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%, mixed 2%, other 3.7%
      and
      Christian (includes Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 59.5%, Muslim 4.4%, Hindu 1.3%, other 2%, none 25.7%, unspecified 7.2%

      You can have the last word.

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      • You’re forgetting that a large part of the grooming gang “cover-up” involves the forced prostitution of tens of thousands of young children for on average c. four years apiece – so potentially involving hundreds of customers per girl.

        Those hundreds of customers may have come from all sorts or they may have disproportionately involved one group. There’s no way to know while the political class maintains their “cover-up” of the full scale of the problem.

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      • Let’s extrapolate , the Pakistani population is 1.9%. Using the Rotherham model, they made up some 3%, yet abused some 1400 girls and are suspected of even more, maybe thousands. They are still continuing their vile behaviour today. Including their abuse of their own women and children.Their abnormal behaviour is generational as we know this was happening in Birmingham in the 80’s. So running around the streets of Rotherham, you have Grandfathers, Farther’s and sons, uncles nephews etc etc. multiply the 1400+ by 50 towns across the UK, maybe even more.

        @RR do you still think that the white man is the biggest child abuser in UK today?

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      • get the data, analyse it, show the results , then and only then extrapolate it according to your assumptions -and state your assumptions.

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  9. @regular reader

    “get the data, analyse it, show the results , then and only then extrapolate it according to your assumptions”

    There are c. 50-ish towns that have had trials for grooming gangs. Where is the Jay report for each of those towns?

    Your sequence starts with “get the data”. It also ends there because the political class is refusing to gather it.

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    • To be able to express an opinion is a part of social activity. To demand that you “get the data, analyse it, show the results , then and only then extrapolate it according to your assumptions” when just expressing an honest opinion is frankly a sort of debating bullying. I get it that in the policy formulation process this is quite proper when trying to function as an effective institution this is right and proper. In the context of opinions here it seems to seek to intimidate.
      Take for example the hacknied criticism of UKIP, it is common to see them as right wing nutters. The Greens can be seen as talking to the trees. The Conservatives as evil, etc.. These are all inaccurate. Perhaps the suggestion ought be for a criticism of for example (a fiction this) a conservative policy on preserving a particular local woodland the critic ought “get the data, analyse it, show the results , then and only then extrapolate it according to your assumptions” Hay, if I liked that wood i do not need data on soil ph, on ecological matters just to say I support that one policy. Or would that make me an evil person?. No doubt the response will be aggressive and I never get that from trees.

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      • PoetMorgan
        Was your comment aimed at me? I assume it was, but you could have made it clearer.
        Woodlands can produce an aesthetic response, as can a painting or a poem; we can agree on that.
        But if you had read this thread, you would have noted that:
        I was at one time told “…It is from the findings of studies produced by various bodies ranging from academics to the CBI and the Home Office. Of course if it does not fit into your worldview then feel free to ignore the results of empirically based evidence.”.
        so I looked at the “evidence” provided, and commented on it. The evidence was demographic statistics.
        I was then asked ” Could you direct me to any research, which has show a comparable figure for this type of abuse, over a sustained period of time, committed againist a particular ethnic, religious, age and gender in another town in the UK. “. I tried to answer that. Again it is demographic stats.
        There is no aesthetic to observational statistics.

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      • @poetmorgan

        The “get the data” argument is bogus because the political class has been deliberately covering up the data.

        This makes the “majority white abusers” argument bogus also as there is no way of knowing.

        At the same time it’s yet another example of the way the PC cult constantly tries to deflect attention from crimes that contradict PC ideology – which is how this all started in the first place.

        The ultimate irony is PC ideology: “only white people are racist” is itself a racist ideology.

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      • Bubble says:
        “At the same time it’s yet another example of the way the PC cult constantly tries to deflect attention from crimes that contradict PC ideology – which is how this all started in the first place.”
        What is this “PC cult”? Is it something like Scientology, or maybe something like the Illuminati or the New World Order ?
        Please explain.

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  10. RR: I propose a hypothesis, you like to debate by an approach that seeks to intimidate. It is a methodology that may work. As for get the stats, that is not up everybody’s street. An opinion is an opinion. In a free society we have a right to express opinion and an absolute right to be wrong.
    This is not an Oxford Uni tutorial group supervised by a learned Don. IT is a web site about problems in the South Yorkshire area in and around Rotherham.
    As for data did you know the average person has less than two arms? (divide the number of arms by the number of people in a large population and the answer is less than two)

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    • I have no interest in what you write.
      Whilst I might appeared to have intimidated you – that was because you were using other people’s copyright images to illustrate your poems on your website without any credit to the copyright holder. I simply said that I would contact the copyright holders if you continued.
      I am well aware that the average person has less than two arms, legs, ears, kidneys etc.

      You can have the last word.

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