MP’s fear police cuts could hit sex crime investigations

MP’s fear police cuts could hit sex crime investigations

ROTHERHAM MP Sarah Champion fears proposed police cuts could affect the growing number of rape investigations.

Reductions in officer numbers will have knock-on effects on time and resources for specialist training, she said.

Ms Champion, shadow minister for abuse and domestic violence, added: “The British Crime Survey shows an 87 per cent rise in the reporting of rapes between October 2012 and March 2015.

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32 thoughts on “MP’s fear police cuts could hit sex crime investigations

  1. Every Public organisation is being cut and guess what amazing savings are being made. even more despite the constant spiel of doom and gloom, where still getting the same level of service. I haven’t notice any difference. It wasn’t as if the Police were doing a good job before, only now they have less money to waste.

    As for it hitting investigations into CSE and other crimes. Well if they had stop this in the beginning , they wouldn’t have such a big mess now and they would’ve had more money to deplore to other parts of there service.

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  2. Sarah champion headlining does she not talk to the Labour Police Commissioner he has agreed that police cuts will not affect CSE
    That’s what he said to to Police and Crime Panel
    So keep up Sarah

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    • Sarah Champion, as shadow minister, was referring to the situation nationally.
      Dr Alan Billings was quite possibly referring to the situation as it applies in South Yorkshire. Maybe you could confirm this?

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  3. Sarah on her own publicity drive – oh, I’ve not been in the papers for 48hrs so I MUST think of something – OR is it the work of her recently recruited media / comms person?

    Whichever, if SYP had done their work properly over the last 20 years there wouldn’t need to be any money spent on ‘ongoing’ CSE investigations

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    • @ Anonymous; you really do talk out of your backside. It was NEVER SYP who had failed over the last 20 years to investigate CSE it was RMBC who had covered it up and kept it from the police.
      If you have not seen any decline in the level of policing in our area, you must be as blind as a bat as there have been massive cuts in the numbers of police officers on the streets but of course you will say ANYTHING to have a dig at the police won’t you. Perhaps it is you who is a useless individual who has had a brush with the law and lost!! Been done for speeding have we?

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      • It truly says it all, despite the Jay & Casey reports, clearly stating that the incompentant Police turn a blind eye to criminality. Let me get this striaght. Even when they found underage girls in rooms , with an adult, so they had just been rape, the glorious police did nothing. Even when the children made a complaint, they ignore them. Even when there parents contacted these bums and even gave them evidence, they lost it and still did nothing. Now your blaming the council. There’s nothing like a fool, especially a blind one. You gave the game away mate, talking about being arrested for speeding. Perhaps if you had actually tackled a crime of children being raped instead of issuing tickets, thousands of children could’ve been saved from that hell.

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      • The Police and Council bear equal responsibility for the abject failure to protect vulnerable young children from criminals that both organisations knew about. You can argue the whys ’til you’re blue in the face, the fact is both the Police and the council looked the other way. Your suggestion that it was all the councils fault and nothing to do with the Police is an insult to the victims and survivors. You should be ashamed to even suggest it.

        But I guess it’s easy when you hide behind anonymity, isn’t it?

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    • It’s true hence why she turned on Commissioners this week. Interestingly the ‘story’ failed to gain any real traction. Too many people know about the pace of change in children’s services.

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    • “Sarah on her own publicity drive – oh, I’ve not been in the papers for 48hrs so I MUST think of something – OR is it the work of her recently recruited media / comms person?”
      It appears in Hansard – the ‘tizer probably saw it there.

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  4. I bet the Labour PCC will not be announcing he will take a huge pay cut in order to help those who elected him. Does anyone know who the Labour Election coordinator is in Rotherham ?.

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    • I thought the current SYPCC was only taking 50% of the salary determined by the government and was donating the other 50% to victim support schemes. I expect someone will tell me if I’m wrong.

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  5. @Anonymous. I never issued a speeding ticket in the whole of my 30 years as a police officer BUT, I did lock up an awful lot of rapists, killers and child molesters. With regard to the offences against children, I did have many, many problems by-passing the social workers and council know- it-alls. These people were the major problem when investigating such crimes and I am assured by the currently serving officers that this is still the situation. The Jay report was much clearer about the failures of the council staff and councillors than those of the police. There were failures, yes but not in any way how you prefer to interpret them.
    By the way, who said anything about you being “arrested” for speeding, I said “done” for speeding. Once again, your facts are completely wrong and you really are talking out of you backside!

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    • It really is now taking the biscuit, it was all those awful Social Workers and Councillors fault hey. Could please enlighten me, please tell me where in the Jay or Casey report, SYP reported a problem of cooperation with the Counil over CSE.?

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    • “The Jay report was much clearer about the failures of the council staff and councillors than those of the police.”

      That’s because the Jay inquiry was commissioned by the Council to investigate the Councils own conduct, not the Polices. Jay had no statutory powers to investigate SYP. Or did that little snippet conveniently pass you by?

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    • excuse me but it was Joyce Thacker who asked for the report even though she was warned she would lose her job over it and I have a letter that states police were corrupt in 2005 I also had a letter that linked 2 members of Rotherham council with the missing files that was given to the police shortly after there was a piece in the star saying 2 women had been arrested over the files then silence instead of concentrating on Pakistanis flying abroad they should concentrate on how clerks at the council can afford chateus in France the problem is I gave the letter that linked the 2 members of the council to the police nothing happened …….so what do you suggest I do with the corruption one

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  6. @ R. Wilde, you have hit the nail right on the head, the Jay report was commissioned by the RMBC and her terms of reference were laid out by them. This was obviously an attempt to divert attention away from the council’s failures and lay the blame at the door of others. Unfortunately, I believe that Professor Jay was astounded by the involvement of senior councillors in the cover up of these crimes and she was unable to divert enough attention away from them. The only way to satisfy the councils terms of reference was to try and lay the blame at the door of the police and everyone believes her.
    I am talking from personal experience when I say that Social Workers and others involved in the care of children were threatened NOT to give the police ANY information whatsoever about these crimes and this came right from the top including, I believe, the Fat Controller. Without evidence from the Social Workers, the police could not obtain enough evidence to prosecute. I personally would have found a way round this in years gone by and successfully prosecuted this filth BUT, times have changed and the police now have to work with their hands tied behind their back, blindfolded, gagged and hobbled. Their job is impossible!
    No doubt Anonymous 6 you will have something to say which most probably will emanate from your backside. You don’t think, considering her terms of reference laid down by Kimber and RMBC, Jay would have considered or reported on the non-cooperation by the council and its Social Workers do you? Wake up and smell the coffee!

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    • I have never read so much utter crap as from the person above. Truly the most unbeliever conspriy theory I have ever heard. So the Council, via the mere fact that it instrumented this inquiry, was some how able to noble the findings and exonerate themselves, but somehow lambasts SYP. I thought Professior Jay, was one tough old bird, someone with the guts to speak the truth. If anything, far from the council controlling her, she control them and then exposed the bums.

      The social workers were so frighten, if that is the case they should’ve been in the profession in the first place and they should have the courage to report things. Yes I know it wouldn’t have been easy, but that’s no excuse.

      As for the Police, isn’t there a Charge called conspiry to pervert the course of justice, surely if there was a will, there was means. The truth is they didn’t give a damn about the children.

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  7. @ Anonymous 2; Read what I said. RMBC’s intention was to “nobble” as you put it, this enquiry but their unbelievable involvement in the cover-up made it impossible for Jay to do so, FACT! The social workers were fearful for their jobs, FACT and this has been well established but you choose not to believe it. As for having the courage to report things, they did report things, to their senior managers and it was covered up by RMBC councillors plus Thacker and Co.
    Are you saying that the police should charge ALL social workers with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice? Or, are you saying that the police should “manufacture” evidence if the council failed to give them what was needed? I think you live in cloud cuckoo land!

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    • Didn’t they manufacture the evidence in the Coal strike and Hillsborough as well as destroy evidence from the victims of CSE, nothing new then.

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      • No they did not! Firstly, wait for the Hillsborough report to be published BEFORE you make such disgusting and uninformed comments and secondly, the only lies made up about the coal strike are those made up by the miners and their despicable leader Scargil. Stop trying re-write history and stick to the FACTS.

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    • @Anonymous1
      There is some indication that RMBC did attempt to at least” keep an eye” on Prof Jay’s enquiry once it was in progress, but nothing of what you allege in the ToR. I’ve just reread it again.
      You write:
      ” I personally would have found a way round this in years gone by and successfully prosecuted this filth BUT, times have changed and the police now have to work with their hands tied behind their back, blindfolded, gagged and hobbled. Their job is impossible!”
      … And this a day after http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/20/met-police-apologise-women-had-relationships-with-undercover-officers

      You sir are a utter fantasist.

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      • No doubt RMBC did, realising the damage that was to befall it. And there is probably loads more that should’ve come out, and yes perhaps there were cases which they should’ve contacted the police. But the Police were aware of the problem years ago and did nothing.

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      • The most obvious thing was that the “confidential” email account for Jay was hosted on nothing more than a subdomain of the RMBC server – and by implication easily accessible from within RMBC ( even a gmail account would have been more secure, as more obviously would have been a hushmail account), and that her staffing was supplied from within RMBC staff.
        But Jay did at least raise the alarm that brought in Louise Casey who based herself and her staff in DLGC offices and only used their resources.
        …. But then Pickles over-rode some of her recommendations. Nothing is perfect,

        I’ve been asked, in the distant past, to look into aspects of a couple of UK Local Authorities, and I would never have accepted the kind of set-up Prof Jay had. In the circumstances she did a really great job.

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      • Do you really think those women who had affairs with Met police officers had any other motive than to extort money from the Authority? Get real, these women would obviously “drop ’em” for anyone, these were grown women for goodness sake, not little girls and they knew exactly what they were doing.
        By the way, have you had any dealings with the “Animal Rights” activists? I don’t think so. I have and they are people who murder, burgle and burn down buildings in furtherance of their misguided cause and I believe, in this case, the means justify the ends as do many honest and right thinking people who I have spoken to about it. I firmly believe the Met police are wrong in apologising and compensating these greedy, self righteous women!

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  8. Anonymous 4; You say “The police were aware of the problem years ago and did nothing.” You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to back up this statement. Once again, you make statements which are mis-informed, untrue and I would suggest, a pack of lies. There is currently a full scale enquiry being carried out into this sorry state of affairs because of people like you making ill-informed statements and I suggest you wait until this is completed and reported upon. Same with Hillsborough and the so called battle of Orgreave.

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    • Have you been living in a parrell dimension, where crime doesn’t exist because of the heroic, hard working Police. All the children are protected, as we the Police in this fanciful dimension, consider it are swore duty to protect the innocent and vunerable. Roll on to 1997 – 2014. 1400+ little girls raped and abused by Pakistani’s, Police knew and did nothing. Professor Alexis Jay report. Suggest you read it and Louise Casey and Andrew Northfolk work, which exposed this horror and stop making yourself look a complete fool.

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