South Yorkshire Crime Commissioner hits out at police budget cut

South Yorkshire Crime Commissioner hits out at police budget cut

South Yorkshire’s Police and Crime Commissioner has hit out at Chancellor George Osborne after his force was told they will have to raise an additional £1 million.

Crime commissioners nationally have been told that they will need to raise the council tax precept by two per cent, the maximum level allowed without the need for a costly referendum, to match their budgets from last year.

Read on… http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/south-yorkshire-crime-commissioner-hits-out-at-police-budget-cut-1-7642326

26 thoughts on “South Yorkshire Crime Commissioner hits out at police budget cut

  1. In my opinion, had the PCC kept to his promises, and cut out the dead wood, and effectively addressed the issues he inherited, and refused to be a pollytikal puppet, and faced up to truth, he would not be whinging now.
    The question is, will be cut the strings that control him and do the right thing ?

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  2. We need MORE police on the street. The modern equivalent … Perhaps in an electric PATROL car. It’s what more and more ” gated communities” are getting.
    Why can’t we?

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    • Actually we don’t, it’s about managing resources better, cutting out duplication and waste. On that point, what does the PCC do to justify his existence?

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  3. Go down to London and see the difference in police presence on the streets, especially around Westminster. There were about 20 police with sub machine guns guarding Buckingham palace alone, on top of the regimental guards.. The unfair distribution of wealth is there for all to see, from money to services.

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  4. If the Commissioner didn’t spend so much on trivia, like their PRS music license – yes, really, they spend thousands of pounds of council-tax payers’ money just so they can listen to music in their offices(£25,000 in 2013), then his bleating might be given some credence.
    So, until this man demonstrates he is spending money wisely and responsibly, his words will continue to be ignored by those people he is attempting to appeal to – us.

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  5. PRS licence only applies to areas to which the general public have access eg. shops, pubs, hotels and similar places, (apropos of nothing).

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    • Wrong – take this for instance from the tariff of another police authority:
      “PRS LICENCE FEE FIREARMS UNIT HQ £241.48” – since when has such an area been accessible to the public??

      As regards the good South Yorkshire Commissioner’s force, these are figures obtained under FOI:
      YEAR AMOUNT
      2010/11 £23,660.43
      2011/12 £20,961.68
      2012/13 £24,943.71

      So, since when has there been any sort of need for music in a police station, public access areas or not?

      The very real problem with the public sector is the mindset of those employed there – that being “well its only public money, so why not spend it willy nilly” – add the above figures up and see how many coppers ‘doing without music’ would pay for.

      The Commissioner needs to prove that he’s spending money responsibly, if he wants public support to tackle Gosborne

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      • Well said Trambuster. To answer your question I first went here: http://www.southyorks.police.uk/pay_and_grading_structure

        and found a blank page. Seems they don’t want us to know. Either that or they’re just a bit slack at putting publicly available information on their website.

        So instead I looked here: https://www.policeoracle.com/pay_and_conditions/police_pay_scales.html

        So overall it would roughly pay for one recruit per year. Doesn’t sound like much but lets face it, we need as many Police officers on the street as we can get! So why the hell they think it’s fine to blow money on crap like PRS licences is beyond me. You have to wonder what the PCC actually does apart from picking up his paycheck and occasionally giving statements to the press that don’t exactly fill you with confidence.

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      • PRS is an organisation that is surreptitiously draining money out of the public purse, due mainly to the incompetents that cough up public money for their so-called licence fee i.e. an arbitrary and uncontrolled figure invented by itself to keep itself in fancy London centre offices and big fat salaries.

        PRS claims to be collecting royalty fees on behalf of artists, but at the same time, the CEO Robert Ashcroft saw fit to collect a salary just short of £600,000 last year.

        Over the years, 2011-13, PRS collected almost £2,000,000 from the police forces alone, which of course just nicely paid Ashcroft’s salary for those three years.

        Just think how much PRS is squeezing out of hospitals, Fire and Rescue services, universities, Education authorities, etc, etc.

        And for comparison of South Yorkshire police, which was happy to pay £69,565 of public money to PRS over the above period, Avon and Somerset police paid a paltry £891.

        So, as I have stated before, the good commissioner needs to demonstrate that he is spending our money responsibly.

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  6. There are supposedly now about twice the number of police that there were in the sixties. Do you feel safer now, is there less crime? The PCC in the hands of the Labour establishment is a waste of time and money. Billings promised to bring those to justice within the establishment who had done wrong. As one might have predicted absolutely no one has suffered that fate. He stated during his election campaign that the above would occur, but that there would be no witch hunt. hardly surprising if you travel by broom.

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    • My Granddad was a chief inspector of police in Sheffield in the 60’s (I don’t know what grade that would be in the South Yorkshire police), he was well off, but was paid a fraction in real terms that the modern plastic police are paid and didn’t own his own house. 20 years ago he was saying the police had become politicised and it was a total joke of a force. Would you put your life in the hands of a 5.5 high overweight PCSO, who doesn’t even have the powers to arrest, the current front line that the over paid force hide behind.

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    • “There are supposedly now about twice the number of police that there were in the sixties. Do you feel safer now, is there less crime”.
      Well there are probably more crimes now than there were in the early 1960’s – particularly drug-related – but then the last time I got into an unprovoked fight with a group of drunken lads was in Hull in 1962. I do feel safer now – but not because there are more police, other factors affect crime rate far more than police numbers do.
      This short readable piece covers the subject in some detail,
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/parties_and_issues/8645379.stm
      Reg Reader

      S25 etc etc,
      I’ve been in London for the last two weeks; on the streets of Lewisham, Peckham and Kingston – and I haven’t seen one single cop.
      I obviously haven’t been near Buck House…. but I can’t imagine why anybody – other than perhaps a tourist – would want to.
      I haven’t been in the City either – where the lovely guys of the CityofLondon police operate.
      But yes I agree, there is a deeply unfair distribution of government funding between London and the rest of UK.

      Reg.

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  7. He is priming everyone for a 2% rise in council tax and getting the blame in early. the people of south Yorks voted for him now you have to pay for it .

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  8. Still do not see him giving up any of his wages. He will probably state he is not taking a pay rise this year, and spin it as a cut. Why do all these extremely well paid Public figures never cut their own wages ?. If they did then they may have some credence with the Public they pretend to represent.

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  9. Also, given that there are now substantially less staff at the South Yorks force – hmm, will the Chief Constable, who now has a commensurately lesser responsibility, be receiving a proportionally reduced salary?

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    • It’s ‘fewer’ not ‘less’ ……….and as far as I can tell the responsibilities haven’t changed, although there may be fewer staff.

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  10. Oh dear, someone has been watching intellectual game shows on the telly, haven’t they – the term ‘less’ is used in relation to the singular i.e. “staff” is the singular body, had I referred to ‘members of staff’ then I would have stated ‘fewer’. Indeed, had you been as sharp as you think you are, you should have picked up on the verbal terminology i.e. ‘are’ when it should have been ‘is’, but then, there is a certain ambiguity in the term ‘staff’.

    There’s only one thing worse than a pedant and that’s a failed one.

    As regards responsibilities, it is a matter of fact that the highest paid public sector managers have received a near doubling of real value salary increases over the last fifteen years and whilst virtually all of these revered ‘magical leaders’ have had their budgets cut, not one of them has suffered any reduction in personal income, and that goes for the Chief Constable.

    These people are surfing on the merry-go-round that is public sector management and when it comes to acting responsibly, as the public perceives ‘responsibly’, they don’t know how to deliver. Let us not forget the former Chief Constable’s lamentable performance in front of the Select Committee – my goodness, didn’t he just demonstrate magical leadership and competence, and how he was worthy of such a massive salary.

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  11. O, for crying out loud.

    It gets even worse when someone compounds their lack of grammatical comprehension with a ridiculous response.

    1) Of course, staff can be singular or plural. But, in your usage, it was plural. Thus ‘fewer’, not ‘less’. Unless you are trying to tell me that the one member of staff of SYP is now reduced to a fraction of one member of staff.

    2) Then two paragraphs of irrelevance in an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that the ‘RESPONSIBILITIES’ of the Chief Constable haven’t significantly changed over time. [I may, or may not, agree that he is overpaid, under-performing etc etc etc………..but that is nothing to do with a ‘….lesser responsibility’ which is what you alleged.

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    • There is little correlation if any at all between crude staff numbers and responsibility. As numbers of senior leaders in public services have reduced dramatically, roles have become more complex through augmented spans of control. Trambuster will however continue to make the spurious link, ignoring my previous posts regarding RMBC’s incredibly low number of high earners when compared with other councils, according to the Tax Payers Alliance.

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