Ministers ‘trying to bury’ bombshell migration report: Boris Johnson blasts ‘dishonest’ politicians who have ‘misled’ the public over true number of EU immigrants that have come to Britain
Dishonest politicians have ‘misled’ the British public over the true scale of mass immigration from the EU, Boris Johnson declared last night.
He hit out on the eve of the publication of a bombshell report expected to reveal the numbers pouring into the UK have been under-counted for years.
The study is intended to explain why an 1.3million more National Insurance numbers have been given out to EU citizens than are accounted for in official statistics.
Experts predict the number of incomers could be 50,000 more than are recorded every year.
MPs and ministers accused Number Ten – which is rattled by its failure to take a commanding lead in the EU referendum – of trying to bury bad news.
Row over 1.2m EU ‘immigration gap’
A 1.2 million gap between official immigration figures and National Insurance numbers issued to EU nationals prompts a row.
Read on… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36271390
Rotherham Politics 
So what’s new, did you really expect them not to lie, as for Bojo, he knows he’s in the last chance saloon.
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Incredulous as it may seem there are people who post on here and don’t think immigration is a factor in the EU referendum, in fact they don’t think the issue is of any importance at all and if you dare raise the subject you are a rabid, racist.
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Most people believe the ship I already sunk. 10 years ago I would have voted out but it seems the damage is already done. Am I wrong?
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Massive damage has been done by unregulated immigration, but it’s not irreparable. Though it soon will be if we stay in the EU. The BBC’s new charter has in it that it must have diversity and impartiality. The diversity part means every other person on there will have to be an ethnic.
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Mal,
” The diversity part means every other person on there will have to be an ethnic.”
I really don’t think you believe that!
Granted it may mean that 50% of people “on there” should be of female gender, but…
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Are you really suggesting the ONS is lying?
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BBC bans white people from job – but workforce already reflects country’s ethnic make-up
THE BBC said it aimed to target “under-represented” parts of Britain with an internship white people cannot apply for – despite figures showing the corporation is already scoring ABOVE what is expected of them.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670266/BBC-advert-white-people-ethnic-equality-staff-job-internship
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The Telegraph version of the story is much better:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/12/extra-15-million-eu-migrants-came-to-britain-over-last-five-year/
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The Daily Mail story linked to in the header piece is nothing but nonsense pro-Brexit propaganda. It was published yesterday, before the ONS published the figures.
Now the ONS report is out they write:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3586466/Statistics-watchdog-blames-short-term-immigration-gulf-NI-numbers-official-figures-EU-arrivals.html
but far more grown-up analyses of the data are available from just about any other source.
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…And the loyal clansmen allowed themselves to be cleared from the Highlands in obedience to their Lairds.
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Is this just the difference between those claiming benefits and those at work.
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no
they all need to have National Insurance Numbers
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Your right RR, they all do need one.
Just suggesting, how many registered as PAYE/self employed compared to on benefits.
In the law of probabilities, I might be wrong to suggest, our politicians numbers and spin.
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Sorry nut you just don’t understand the issue.
ONS doesn’t spin!
I have linked to the ONS explanation of the difficulties below.
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I had intended to write “Sorry but you just don’t understand the issue”, by finger must have a mind of it’s own.
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It is important to understand the problems the ONS has in assessing levels of immigration.
This is what they say
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/methodologies/differencesbetweeninternationalpassengersurveyandnationalinsurancenumberstatisticsasshowninthemigrationstatisticsquarterlyreport#sources-of-migration-statistics
As someone with a stats background (but thankfully in a very different field), I can appreciate the problem.
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RR you amaze me with out fail, don’t you think politics is like, is the glass half full or half empty.
I’m believing in the same way he was elected to be mayor of London, to the electorate he was all inclusive of all.
Bozo is using politics (a very honed one in the political spectrum) to his advantage, use stats to prove beyond a shadow of doubt what you want people to hear, apparently it is good political news especially if you are in the leave EU camp.
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If I understand you correctly as saying:
“Boris Johnson has no credibility on any subject” – well I totally agree.
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Come on RR I didn’t mean he hasn’t any credibility on any subject.
He will save the day again as he did with the Olympics.
Maybe if we leave the EU Bozo has got it all planned.
Tinned
sliced
baked
caked
crumbled
the possibilities are endless.
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BoJo did not save the London Olympics – he just closed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Summer_Olympics
His time as London Mayor is now thankfully over. He was a disaster.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/this-is-what-boris-johnson-being-mayor-has-actually-cost-london-10491163.html
Add to that this nonsence:
http://hackneycitizen.co.uk/2015/09/25/boris-johnson-calls-in-decision-on-controversial-goodsyard-proposals/
and this:
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/afc-wimbledon-puzzled-boris-johnsons-11103637
and this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/anish-kapoor-boris-foisted-new-slide-on-my-sculpture/
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The people here illegally and working in the black economy don’t need a NI.
There are no stats for them just guesstimates. Some stataticans have been sayng , based on the food and energy cosumed in this country, that there are many more people here than is admited. Census figures are simply not reliable.
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Mal,
… and there are people here legally and working in the country, who in many cases do not need an NI. That is why the International Passenger Survey, data is important.
” Some stataticans have been sayng , based on the food and energy cosumed in this country” – do these people know that: http://www.lovefoodhatewaste.com/node/2472
I’d really like a reference to where your “some stataticans” say that .
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Mal , as far as I can see this wiki covers the available information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_Kingdom
I’d never realised the issue of British-born children of illegal immigrants
https://www.compas.ox.ac.uk/project/undocumented-migrant-children-in-the-uk/
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He’s on questions time bbc in a mo
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This Opinion piece by Jonathan Portes of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, sanely covers the Immigration stats that came out yesterday
The hysteria about immigration statistics doesn’t stand up to scrutiny
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/13/hysteria-immigration-statistics-migration-government
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One of the three reasons.
“Most of this difference is accounted for by short-term migration. But the publication also reports that of those, 1 million were still active on HMRC computer systems in 2013-14 – that is, they were paying tax or claiming HMRC benefits”
Hadn’t I said something like this above.
The actual reason they no longer existed, gone home, no longer active, but are on the system.
RR, don’t worry I’m not looking for an apology, how we interpret data is sometimes a political tool, means to an end. In this case scaremongering the people to leave EU.
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What was written was:
“For example, the migration statistics show that 739,000 people arrived from other EU member states in the four years to June 2014, while the number registering for a NI number was 1,537,000.
Most of this difference is accounted for by short-term migration. But the publication also reports that of those, 1 million were still active on HMRC computer systems in 2013-14 – that is, they were paying tax or claiming HMRC benefits. Some might still not be long-term migrants. But given that even this million is not a full count of those still in the UK – and the 739,000 also includes some people who will not need to register for an NI number, like children – it suggests that the 739,000 is an underestimate.”
I’m not sure why I should apologize – I’ve just been defending the integrity of the ONS and providing links to authoritative unbiased commentary on it.
The rest of what you wrote seems near nonsensical to me, apart from the
” scaremongering the people to leave EU.”
I do feel that “Project Fear” could equally well apply to both campaigns.
But I’m not likely to return to this thread again.
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Sorry I’m late in replying and I’m not bothered whether you return to this thread or not. As stats are your thing and you have given a far more thorough analysis of this than I could, even if I wanted to. I admit I look at all stats with a very sceptical eye, but I must mention that you have side stepped my earlier point of no one knows how many illegals are here. There are no stats for them just guestimates.
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“Most of this difference is accounted for by short-term migration. But the publication also reports that of those, 1 million were still active on HMRC computer systems in 2013-14 – that is, they were paying tax or claiming HMRC benefits”.
ie: most likely gone back.
Do you think I have plucked out something out of the air, RR I didn’t want an opology, you provided the source, the source included a justification, actually one of three.
Your source, my understanding, more registered than actual numbers, link it in context of the page article from the top of this thread.
Your right to suggest, “project fear”, is a two way process, but stay in the EU dint use this.
If someone places, something really unproductive from the stay camp, I will share my opinion on that as well.
Sorry if you feel offended, nothing was intended.
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So this bomb shell, turned into a damp squid.
Was it supposed to look like the Panama leaks of the NI n°s world.
Bozo, any credibility for future PM, wasted, dunt know jak.
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It was basically a non-event, as Portes clearly explains in the link above.
(the “UK in a changing world” research group – that he is doing work for – is about as authoritative as you can get – and it is deliberately not taking sides in the referendum) .
See : http://ukandeu.ac.uk/
Sure as Malcontent says (Hi, Mal), we don’t know how many “illegals” there are in UK, or how many UK-born children they have. But we do do surveys and can make estimates (or as Mal would prefer to call them guesstimates). Equally, and to the best of my knowledge, ONS have no figures for people such as me – from 1990 to 2001 I didn’t spend a day working in UK – but I paid NI , and all the income tax I needed to, to HMRC.
I worked throughout that time in mainland Europe.
I had left UK because I had skills that were wanted in most countries, and because I had no intention whatsoever of paying the absurd Poll Tax.
In the early 1980’s, these guys only two choices, unemployment in UK, or jobs in Dusseldorf:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auf_Wiedersehen,_Pet
(D’dorf is a nice easy going city with a good work ethic – I’d worked there for 6/7 months in about 1974. )
Malcontent (Hi Mal) now brings up this newish likely non-story dated the 14th: https://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/ministers-trying-to-bury-bombshell-migration-report/#comment-55912
He writes” BBC bans white people from job – but workforce already reflects country’s ethnic make-up
THE BBC said it aimed to target “under-represented” parts of Britain with an internship white people cannot apply for – despite figures showing the corporation is already scoring ABOVE what is expected of them.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670266/BBC-advert-white-people-ethnic-equality-staff-job-internship”
The original for this was a piece in the Daily Mail by Katie Hopkins on the 9th.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3580768/KATIE-HOPKINS-jobs-come-colour-want-long-s-not-white.html
THe Daily Mirror made some sense out of her gross nonsence here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-clashes-recruiters-over-7944660
These jobs are for one year only paid internships – basically work experience positions that are specifically not intended to become longer-term jobs within the BBC. I expect that the BBC processes many of them each year, the majority open to all young people
That the BBC went to these people http://creativeaccess.org.uk/ to help fill a proportion of these internships is totally admirable – it being the best way of ensuring it kept its percentages right.
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RR: whether they are internships or permanent jobs is irrelevant, it’s the discrimination that is the issue and notice how the phrase “positive discrimination” has now become “positive action.” That puts a whole new spin on it.
Once again the beeb is being very controversial here: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/bbc-says-it-is-too-christian-and-must-diversify-mvg7lh6t2
For the BBC’s Aaqil Ahmed, a Muslim is the BBC’s head of religion and ethicS and
it must be a an ethical nightmare for him when he has to consider which is the most ethical, whether to stone a gay person to death or throw them off a tower,
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Mal.
Up above, you wrote:
“Incredulous as it may seem there are people who post on here and don’t think immigration is a factor in the EU referendum, in fact they don’t think the issue is of any importance at all and if you dare raise the subject you are a rabid, racist.”
I agree that immigration is an issue that will impact how people vote in the EU referendum , and accept that there are a range of views on the subject, from rabid racist, through just racist, just bigoted, … right across a wide spectrum to left wing, open the gates to everybody nutters.
So lets take this guy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaqil-ahmed-14813b28
who wrote this piece:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/it-s-no-laughing-matter-britain-has-become-a-nation-of-religious-illiterates-who-are-baffled-by-8890338.html
… and ask yourself where your comment about him above sits in that wide spectum of views.
and then ask yourself if you can think of any quota system that he wouldn’t qualify under it he turned up to work in UK today.
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… and more on the media treatment of the BBC’s Aaquil Ahmed
(see https://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/ministers-trying-to-bury-bombshell-migration-report/#comment-55921 for how Aaquil Ahmed gotpulled onto this thread).
http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/suns-bbc-religion-rant-busted.html?
(Via a link on Yvonne Ridley’s twitter feed – in the column on right of this page).
RR
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A couple of points:
BBC does recruit directly to its internships, apprenticeships, and work experience programs, via this gateway,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/careers/home
BBC is also kicked about over its “lack of diversity”
The BBC must address its lack of diversity – or risk losing viewers
(David Lammy)
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/the-bbc-must-address-its-lack-of-diversity-or-risk-losing-viewers/
I can only assume that it’s recruitment gateway was failing to pull in a sufficiently diverse group of ethnic minority young people that made BBC bring in the Creative Access charity to help.
As someone who has lived much of his life in London – I can see there is a real need for organisations like Creative Access, …. and can’t help feeling that we need something like that to inspire young white British kids up here (along with longterm rewarding jobs for them!).
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“the elites are not to be trusted. When it comes to uncontrolled immigration, they have played the biggest con-trick in living memory.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/12/the-gap-between-official-migrant-figures-and-the-truth-is-as-wid/
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“The new analysis has “conclusively shown that no such cover-up has taken place”, says The Guardian, adding that the economist who uncovered the apparent gap, Jonathan Portes, had “welcomed” the ONS’s explanation.
However, the official account is not good enough for the Daily Telegraph’s Allison Pearson. She claims that every second “Piotr the plumber” who arrives for a short-term visit is likely to stay on long term. Then, “we will have lots of little Piotrs in need of schooling and healthcare”.
The Government has underestimated, obfuscated and “lied”, she says, giving the Brexit movement its “biggest weapon”.
The Guardian says Pearson is one of many Leave sympathisers, including Johnson, Priti Patel and John Redwood, now trying to move the debate around the “missing million” from long-term migrants to those here short-term.
However, it continues, the ONS figures for short-term migrants are published every year, rather than hidden or covered up.”
‘Missing million’ found as Brexit campaign turns on immigration
http://www.theweek.co.uk/72591/missing-million-found-as-brexit-campaign-turns-on-immigration
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