Ministers ‘trying to bury’ bombshell migration report

Ministers ‘trying to bury’ bombshell migration report: Boris Johnson blasts ‘dishonest’ politicians who have ‘misled’ the public over true number of EU immigrants that have come to Britain

Dishonest politicians have ‘misled’ the British public over the true scale of mass immigration from the EU, Boris Johnson declared last night.

He hit out on the eve of the publication of a bombshell report expected to reveal the numbers pouring into the UK have been under-counted for years.

The study is intended to explain why an 1.3million more National Insurance numbers have been given out to EU citizens than are accounted for in official statistics.

Experts predict the number of incomers could be 50,000 more than are recorded every year.

MPs and ministers accused Number Ten – which is rattled by its failure to take a commanding lead in the EU referendum – of trying to bury bad news.

Read on… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585680/Ministers-trying-bury-bombshell-migration-report-Boris-Johnson-blasts-dishonest-politicians-misled-public-true-number-EU-immigrants-come-Britain.html

A 1.2 million gap between official immigration figures and National Insurance numbers issued to EU nationals prompts a row.

Read on… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36271390

37 thoughts on “Ministers ‘trying to bury’ bombshell migration report

    • Incredulous as it may seem there are people who post on here and don’t think immigration is a factor in the EU referendum, in fact they don’t think the issue is of any importance at all and if you dare raise the subject you are a rabid, racist.

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      • Most people believe the ship I already sunk. 10 years ago I would have voted out but it seems the damage is already done. Am I wrong?

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        • Massive damage has been done by unregulated immigration, but it’s not irreparable. Though it soon will be if we stay in the EU. The BBC’s new charter has in it that it must have diversity and impartiality. The diversity part means every other person on there will have to be an ethnic.

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        • Mal,
          ” The diversity part means every other person on there will have to be an ethnic.”
          I really don’t think you believe that!
          Granted it may mean that 50% of people “on there” should be of female gender, but…

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  1. The Daily Mail story linked to in the header piece is nothing but nonsense pro-Brexit propaganda. It was published yesterday, before the ONS published the figures.

    Now the ONS report is out they write:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3586466/Statistics-watchdog-blames-short-term-immigration-gulf-NI-numbers-official-figures-EU-arrivals.html
    but far more grown-up analyses of the data are available from just about any other source.

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      • Your right RR, they all do need one.

        Just suggesting, how many registered as PAYE/self employed compared to on benefits.

        In the law of probabilities, I might be wrong to suggest, our politicians numbers and spin.

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        • Sorry nut you just don’t understand the issue.
          ONS doesn’t spin!
          I have linked to the ONS explanation of the difficulties below.

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        • I had intended to write “Sorry but you just don’t understand the issue”, by finger must have a mind of it’s own.

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  2. It is important to understand the problems the ONS has in assessing levels of immigration.

    This is what they say
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/methodologies/differencesbetweeninternationalpassengersurveyandnationalinsurancenumberstatisticsasshowninthemigrationstatisticsquarterlyreport#sources-of-migration-statistics

    As someone with a stats background (but thankfully in a very different field), I can appreciate the problem.

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    • One of the three reasons.

      “Most of this difference is accounted for by short-term migration. But the publication also reports that of those, 1 million were still active on HMRC computer systems in 2013-14 – that is, they were paying tax or claiming HMRC benefits”

      Hadn’t I said something like this above.
      The actual reason they no longer existed, gone home, no longer active, but are on the system.

      RR, don’t worry I’m not looking for an apology, how we interpret data is sometimes a political tool, means to an end. In this case scaremongering the people to leave EU.

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      • What was written was:
        “For example, the migration statistics show that 739,000 people arrived from other EU member states in the four years to June 2014, while the number registering for a NI number was 1,537,000.
        Most of this difference is accounted for by short-term migration. But the publication also reports that of those, 1 million were still active on HMRC computer systems in 2013-14 – that is, they were paying tax or claiming HMRC benefits. Some might still not be long-term migrants. But given that even this million is not a full count of those still in the UK – and the 739,000 also includes some people who will not need to register for an NI number, like children – it suggests that the 739,000 is an underestimate.”

        I’m not sure why I should apologize – I’ve just been defending the integrity of the ONS and providing links to authoritative unbiased commentary on it.

        The rest of what you wrote seems near nonsensical to me, apart from the
        ” scaremongering the people to leave EU.”
        I do feel that “Project Fear” could equally well apply to both campaigns.

        But I’m not likely to return to this thread again.

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        • Sorry I’m late in replying and I’m not bothered whether you return to this thread or not. As stats are your thing and you have given a far more thorough analysis of this than I could, even if I wanted to. I admit I look at all stats with a very sceptical eye, but I must mention that you have side stepped my earlier point of no one knows how many illegals are here. There are no stats for them just guestimates.

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        • “Most of this difference is accounted for by short-term migration. But the publication also reports that of those, 1 million were still active on HMRC computer systems in 2013-14 – that is, they were paying tax or claiming HMRC benefits”.

          ie: most likely gone back.

          Do you think I have plucked out something out of the air, RR I didn’t want an opology, you provided the source, the source included a justification, actually one of three.

          Your source, my understanding, more registered than actual numbers, link it in context of the page article from the top of this thread.

          Your right to suggest, “project fear”, is a two way process, but stay in the EU dint use this.

          If someone places, something really unproductive from the stay camp, I will share my opinion on that as well.

          Sorry if you feel offended, nothing was intended.

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  3. So this bomb shell, turned into a damp squid.

    Was it supposed to look like the Panama leaks of the NI n°s world.

    Bozo, any credibility for future PM, wasted, dunt know jak.

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