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Rotherham Politics 
I wish her every success and hope she makes the same impact on Rotherham Labour as Cavan did in Rawmarsh.
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Did anybody think of putting the text of that flier through a spell or grammar checker?
It should perhaps also have gone through a fact checker – but that’s far too much to be expected.
For what and where is Ms Vines standing for election?
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R/R:OK the leaflet is not perfect, but it’s pedantic,carping on the spelling and grammar. It’s whether they are true facts that are being stated in the leaflet that’s relevant! If you can dispute what are claimed as facts then you should do so!
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Mal,
I have total respect for Caven and I truly wish his wife well in the elections. Whilst what I wrote was seemingly pedantic, it came out of frustration – a feeling that if you a paying for an election flyer, you make damn sure that the content is spot-on perfect – particularly when it comes to spelling and grammar.
I apologise to Maureen Vines for any offence I may have caused.
Like Caven, I am dyslexic in my writing – but spot any errors when I read something. Anything important that I write goes through a spell-checker, it just has to.
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As for “If you can dispute what are claimed as facts then you should do so!”
I would and will, but this is not the time and place for that; yet I always feel that for local elections it is better to focus on issues that need and can be fixed locally – if there is the will to do it – rather than on matters that are of an international nature – like the (IMHO very remote) possibilities of Turkey ever joining the EU.
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(Written using just the in-built spell checker of Chrome browser, E and OE).
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As I’ve accused regular reader of being pedantic I don’t want this to seem as such, but the name is Caven, not Cavan, which is an IRA bolthole county in the Irish republic.
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It is really interesting how rotherpol allows itself to be used with promoting political promotional material such as UKIP. You may think you are only being democratic, though you also seem to be very biased towards Labour per se-especially labour in Rotherham. Now those of us who are aware of many of the failings of this Labour council and the sort of personality that seeks office for concillorship-which has resulted in a self fulfilling oligarchy group; that like lemings follow the leader over the proverbial hill of selling their very original principals of socialism to attain national power as they did with following NEw Labour of Blair/Brown into illegal wars (as the reason for the Afghan war is also illegal as it was more about stopping the Russians from gaining access to the caspian sea for to build a pipeline for distributing their oil. However politicians both nationally and locally are a despised group of individuals as they are deemed to feathering their own nests and also -especially local ones follow the leader and deputy leader to conniving to hold onto power for power sake and are responsible for Rotherham being promoted as a sex exploitation place and a town that has been in decline for many years. Many councillors are seen not only to be self serving power agents who make decisons for wrong reasons. Herringthorpe Playing Fields -the self fulfilling arogant Gerald Smith re Bramly and the sweat of his brow causing him to wink at an innocent female, and the deputy leader’s hold on a large community of voters as a bargaining chip for accessing power in the borough. This is the politics of the mafia. But please rotherpol do not allow your site to be abused by the lies of UKIP in your hatret of Labour and -although promoting factual points about Labour nationally-as all these expenditures were supported by Conservative party in opposition. And what do you think the UKIP would sprend its taxes on and what is its agenda aimed at -to craete a britain that withdraws from Europe and they the UKIP want to hark back to the a time when britain was the leading colonial power. So UKIP want a flat rate of tax of 31p *which will mean taht the poor will pay the same as the rich) in order to build up the military to reinstate britain’s old role of invasion and colonising. When I heard that another writer who is anti labour a Don whose letters get into the Advertiser (which ny the way the Advertiser also promotes any party taht is anti Lablour) states that if you hate Labour vote UKIP to show them (the local Labour and possibly natioanlly and in the European elections) a lesson. May i remind your readers that is what certian people in Germany advised and they got Hitler who like all fascist and racist parties banned all other political parties to become the dictatorship they aspire to be -a one party state who do not want to listen to any other points of view. And what is especially sad is that even some ethnoics fall for the Fargae line.
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What is so terrible about being anti Labour? Every Labour government from Ramsay MacDonald to Gordon Brown has been ejected from office because of economic incompetence, or didn’t you notice?
Your post reads the same as other disgruntled Labour apologists and instead of providing alternative policies you prefer to stick labels on the party that is the biggest threat to the political establishment. Unless you provide solid evidence for your rant about “fascist and racist parties’-inferring these labels apply to UKIP-you would do better to consider why the voters in Rawmarsh decided not to back the discredited Labour party and elected a UKIP councillor.
This is an open forum and there are several Labour supporters who contribute regularly so your assertion it is a mouthpiece for UKIP is very wide of the mark. I suspect you would be a very happy chappy if ‘Rothpol’ was dedicated to left-of-centre parties however, in the real world we live in a democratic state and all views and opinions are valid. We do not have to agree with what is said or written but we do have the right to reply and offer an alternative viewpoint and that is exactly what I’m doing.
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Why wasn’t Rothpol attacked for supporting the NHA Party when publishing information on Naveen’s campaign?
Rothpol can only publish what comes his way. If Labour would like to provide information, Rothpol will publish it as a service to readers.
As Jahangir has banned labour members from contributing, suspect it will be a while before we get more from them.
They are missing a trick though as free publicity is on offer.
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Colin,
Those on the left are quite liberal and great believers in freedom of speech…until you proffer an alternative viewpoint to theirs and then some become quite intolerant. Their favourite tactic is the Ad Hominem attack, as in the post above. The more intelligent are moving away from calling UKIP “fascists” and “racists” as these are easily disproved, and seem to prefer “extremists”(what is extreme about wanting your country to be an independent, self-governing nation?). Either way the closing down of debate in this way is just puerile and diminishes our democracy.
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Rob,”Their favourite tactic is the Ad Hominem attack […].The more intelligent are moving away from calling UKIP “fascists” and “racists” as these are easily disproved, and seem to prefer “extremists”(what is extreme about wanting your country to be an independent, self-governing nation?). ”
… and that is a classic “straw man” attack.
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Thom,
I think you have totally misunderstood what Rothpol is about.
I would also suggest you read my post above about how spelling mistakes and poor grammar doesn’t help to get your message across – and maybe you should also read this – on being the first to mention Hitler : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law .
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RR,
A straw man is a misrepresentation of your opponents position in order to deride them. Some of UKIP’s opponents have started to use extreme/extremists to describe us-Nick Clegg several times on TV last Wednesday for example-where is the misrepresentation and therefore straw man? ( unless your definition is different from mine? ).
Rob.
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Rob.
You could be right.
“The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
Person 1 asserts proposition X.
Person 2 argues against a false but superficially similar proposition Y, as if that were an argument against Person 1’s position.”
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“It should perhaps also have gone through a fact checker”
It is what it is-an election leaflet. At least console yourself with knowledge it doesn’t contain as many lies and mis-statements of facts as the Labour propaganda sheet.
As for your question “For what……………………….” is Ms.Vines standing; I thought the UKIP logo was a very strong hint.
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Colin,
I meant ” was she standing for Parish council, Rotherham council, European, or Westminster elections” OK?
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This is a typical UKIP leaflet no alternatives to Labours budget, nothing about local problems and policies to deal with them. It is just facts and figures and if in doubt fall back on immigration, what are your policies to protect the sure start centres, what are your policies to save jobs. How the hell they have the nerve to talk about privatisation of the NHS, when it is their policy to do just that. Either get some policies or stay out of the fight.
Dave Smith
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Dave. You need to get your facts rights. Point of delivery will be free for NHS under UKIP, but where possible they would privatise provision. UKIP will bring back free eye and teeth checks. If the government provided food through restaurants and supermarkets, we would say it was barmy, that’s my opinion on the government providing the NHS, I would be a lot more progressive than UKIP. Cheers Tim
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I’d be interested to see the reverse of the flyer…where it gives details of UKIP’s “common-sense policies”.
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@Robin Symonds
I’m not 100% sure about the reverse of MV’s leaflet but you can read both sides of Bernard Froggatt’s leaflet (UKIP candidate for Anston) here: http://lovedinnington.wordpress.com/
HTH.
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I think Clegg summed up the Liberal left in the debate when, asked why he had offered a EU referendum vote before the last election on a leaflet, he said read the small print with a smirk on his face. It needs year of right wing thinking to balance what the loony left has done to this country. Aircraft carriers without planes says it all.
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I got all the forms to stand as a candidate, in case we didn’t have an alternative to Burton in Anston. I am told to stand aside and not split the vote, which I will do. However it was interesting to see that a campaign can’t cost more than £1100.
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