Police expect 30,000 new child abuse reports from Goddard inquiry
Exclusive: Extent of child sexual abuse in England and Wales begins to become clear as inquiry passes on 100 cases a month
The scale of child sexual abuse in England and Wales is being exposed by evidence from thousands of victims, with cases being passed to police at a rate of 100 a month by the public inquiry set up following the Jimmy Savile scandal.
Simon Bailey, Norfolk’s chief constable and head of the national coordinating unit Operation Hydrant, said his team was expecting to be given 30,000 reports of new child sexual offences by the Goddard inquiry, and predicted the rate of referrals of allegations of abuse would increase.
The chief constable said that given the trajectory of the number of reports, police would be investigating about 200,000 cases of child sexual abuse by 2020, giving an insight into the extent of child sexual abuse in Britain over many decades.
Rotherham Politics 
Are these hate crimes?
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Yes Mr David, they are hate crimes against our children, the report is also suggesting at this rate, Goddard inquiry could be generating around 200,000 lines of enquiries by 2020 at this rate.
“We are seeing a SIGNIFICANT rise in the NUMBER of referrals each month from the Goddard inquiry, and these allegations relate to abuse in a range of INSTITUTIONS from the church, to SCHOOLS, the SCOUTS and HOSPITALS.” gaurdian report.
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“Hate crime” has a rigid definition
See :
http://www.stophateuk.org/what-is-hate-crime/
and:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2014-to-2015
The allegations you listed appear to be way outside that definition.
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Thanks RR, I know, it was said to Mr David, with a touch of sarcasm.
He apparently has a one track mind and probably Woody as well.
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Also from the gaurdian …..and concerning grooming and sexual exploitation in Rochdale, Devon, Cornwall, Oxford and Rotherham, and at the Medomsley detention centre in Durham.
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… and four of that list arecwertainly institutional .
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,,, and 4 of that list are certainly institutional.
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Hotspot you do make me laugh , even when your wrong , your right.if your not defending the pakistani rapist by blaming the victims and the parents, your putting other posters on here down .now you even know what people are thinking .we should all refer to you as GOD lmao
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I’m glad you have a sense of humour Woody, not god Hotspot would be fine lad.
If like the likes of me have suggested one parameter of vulnerability, which so happens to be a position when a child is most vulnerable especially when a gaurdian or parent is not present, and god forbid any one to think this Woody.
Let’s put it simply, a child doesn’t attend school, parent gaurdian responsible. But when a child is walking the streets at daft a clock
at night, apparently it is ok, I don’t think so.
Defending child rapists, I think you do that by default, only questioning pakistani offenders.
You haven’t a clue do you Woody so let me ask you a question.
How many missing children right now?
I suppose in your small world we probably would find all of them in a pakistani landlord bedsit.
Problem solved we can all get back to a biscuit and a cuppa tea.
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Hotspot your biting again . A rough estamate would be 100.000 kids a year ? Most i would suggest are found and have come to no harm but not all . Its not only the pakistanis that commit this dirty vile crime its all nationalitys all colours and i detest every single one of them the same .the difference between u and me is i dont try and defend any of them , you do mister
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Keep on track Woody you know you have a one track mind, but it was nice to hear that you detest all of them alike, is Hotspot rubbing of on you.
May be there is a God after all.
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Maybe if the investigation started from the top down it would be more effective, I believe you will remember the Dolphin square investigation where politicians were involved this has been dropped obviously the establishment do not want things brought into the open. If those in ROTHERHAM had taken some notice and not bullied people maybe just maybe the youngsters in ROTHERHAM would have been looked after better, I appreciate it happens up and down the country we need less of the PC gang and more looking after our own anyone involved and if taxi drivers NEVER allowed a licence again
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“Justice Lowell Goddard is running 13 investigations into institutional abuse, which include inquiries concerning Westminster, the Catholic Church, Church of England, and Lambeth borough, and concerning grooming and sexual exploitation in Rochdale, Devon, Cornwall, Oxford and Rotherham, and at the Medomsley detention centre in Durham.”
This is bullshit, and predictable bullshit at that
Why single out Rotherham, Rochdale and Oxford when we know that the Muslim(mainly Pakistani) racially/religiously aggravated group/gang grooming-rape-trafficking- sexual torture-pimping epidemic is so widespread across the country(30 cities and about 50 group trials to date)? Obviously it should be investigated as the most pernicious and vile form of abuse encompassing many evils – it demands investigation as a WHOLE, as the Times, the Oxford Serious Case Review and one of the lawyers involved in the 3rd Rochdale case demanded.
Does anyone seriously suppose that anything remotely comparable to the following has ever occurred in any UK institution or in Devon or Cornwall?
“From 2004–2012, the gang groomed children from 11 to 15-years-old from dysfunctional backgrounds who were unlikely to be believed with others living in care homes. They were given presents, plied with alcohol and introduced to Crack cocaine and heroin.[4] After the girls became dependent on the men,[4] they were guarded so they could not escape[5] and threatened that they and their families would be harmed if they tried to leave.[4] The girls were raped vaginally, orally and anally, sometimes by several men,[4] the abuse occasionally lasting for several days at a time.[5] Some girls were groomed to be prostitutes and taken to guest houses in Bradford, Leeds, London, Slough and Bournemouth where men, usually Pakistani,[6] paid to have sex with them.[4] The girls were subjected to extreme sexual violence, biting, suffocating, and burning. They were tortured with knives, baseball bats, and meat cleavers and were occasionally urinated upon.[4] One 14-year-old girl was burned with a lighter when she tried to resist having sex.[7] The mother of another girl said that “she had begged social services staff to rescue her [daughter] from the gang”, who had “threatened to cut the girl’s face off” and “slit the throats” of members of the girl’s family.[8]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
There’s another trial proceeding in Oxford currently which sounds familiar
“Oxford sex exploitation girl ‘threatened with death'”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-35975991
Not that you would glean this from the national media(although there was one Daily Mail report)
It was always obvious that Goddard was an exercise in obfuscation and false equivalent conflation.
If Goddard wanted to seriously investigate the Rotherham Model then she would widen it to take in towns and cities where it is known to be occurring such as Birmingham and the Black Country, and where – like Rotherham – there has been systematic suppression of evidence and information for many years. She could concentrate on areas where there has been a suspicious lack of prosecutions – Birmingham, the Black Country and Bradford would be immediately identifiable on this basis.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-city-council-hid-links-8131813
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-knew-grooming-gangs-were-9518461
Of course she wouldn’t do that because there is a very strong tendency to put the Muslim grooming epidemic in a couple of boxes called Rotherham and Rochdale – an exceptionalism noted by Peter McLoughlin in “Easy Meat” – as a damage limitation strategy.
Goddard is going to receive an immense sum of money
“Judge leading child abuse inquiry will pocket £2.5m of taxpayers money”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/judge-leading-child-abuse-inquiry-6061303
And apparently she is one of the least well regarded judges in New Zealand
But she will do what the crumbling, near bankrupt UK Ancien Regime desperately wants – which is to keep their fantasy “community cohesion” illusion going, and keep the lid on – which is what flailing regimes of questionable legitimacy invariably do.
They’re paying a fat fee for it, from our money and more borrowing.
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Very well said parsonage
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“Does anyone seriously suppose that anything remotely comparable to the following has ever occurred in any UK institution or in Devon or Cornwall?”
Probably yes!
I don’t know if it was a an actual question, but here goes, probably doesn’t fit the protocol given to Rotherham, Oxford and the likes (Muslim Pakistani). Well some of the victims were younger in this instance (5 being the youngest).
Paedophile ring ‘groomed young girls before abusing them in empty cottage’ | Daily Mail
Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333420/Paedophile-ring-groomed-young-girls-abusing-cottage.html
Me thinks every one is besotted with the Muslim Pakistani model.
Institutional springs to mind!
April 2007
An investigation into the grooming and sexual abuse of young boys identifies more than 70 alleged victims. A man is convicted of offences against 10 children.
Jay report
Yes these 80+ boys make up the numbers of the 1400 exploited CHILDREN in Rotherham. Why hasn’t he ever been identified, maybe he may have more than 80+ victims, or may be he has been notorious in this field throughout the UK (who is this man, or can only god help us with this search), don’t worry this part is always silent.
I have a keen eye for, the obvious was talked about by Jay too, “they (council) did a disservice to the rest of the Pakistani heritage community” as to why? All the answers are there too.
But me thinks most don’t understand what Institutional abuse she (Goddard) is looking for.
Yes ?
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“Me thinks every one is besotted with the Muslim Pakistani model.”
No doubt you would say that, however as the Oxford Serious Case Review pointed out
“The report said: “The association, not of all CSE but group-based CSE, with mainly Pakistan heritage is undeniable……………”
http://www.channel4.com/news/oxford-abuse-operation-bullfinch-report-thames-valley-police
So why is this Hotspot?
As I said we are up to around 50 “localised grooming” trials now involving Muslims – vast majority Pakistani. And as we know there should have been many more than that
Given the demographics if there was any equivalence in terms of proportionality there should have been many, many hundreds of trials involving white British abusing groups/gangs. There haven’t been, it’s a handful.
We get this from Goddard re “Child Sexual Exploitation by Organised Networks”
“The systematic grooming and sexual abuse of children by groups of offenders in cities and towns of England and Wales is widespread. Building upon the body of work on child sexual exploitation following specific instances in places such as Devon and Cornwall, Oxford, Rochdale, Rotherham, and Telford, this investigation will assess the extent to which a wide range of relevant authorities have learned lessons, implemented recommendations, and put in place effective strategies to prevent child sexual exploitation in future.
We will consider whether the police and other agencies are using civil prevention orders effectively; whether the current regulation of the night-time economy and taxi licensing is effective in protecting children from abuse; and whether the criminal justice system is treating victims and survivors of child sexual exploitation appropriately.”
Night time economy and taxi licencing means Pakistani grooming essentially, but bizarrely the first “specific instance” we get is Devon and Cornwall. Obviously the enquiry is going to be far too politically correct to call a spade a spade, and so what we are going to get is a load of weasel equivocation.
The first sentence above should have read
“The systematic grooming and sexual abuse of children by groups of offenders of largely Pakistani heritage in cities and towns of England and Wales is widespread.”
If they are too precious to admit this reality, how much confidence can there be in their proceedings?
There should be a specific investigation into the “Rotherham Model” dealing with all aspects of this pernicious phenomenon – particularly as regards trafficking and particularly as regards the cultural roots which have produced it, and not merely casting an eye over institutional failings, much of which we already know about with Jay, Casey and reports from Rochdale and Oxford.
If Goddard is prepared to examine “the prevalence of child sexual abuse within the Catholic Church;” then why not the evil activities of Pakistani groups and gangs as a whole and the nature of the culture which produced them?
That is after all what “Rotherham” is about.
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@ Parsonage.
What is the Goddard inquiry about, so let me shout it out.
Investigating the extent to which institutions have failed to protect children from sexual abuse
The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse will INVESTIGATE WHETHER PUBLIC BODIES AND OTHER NON-STATE INSTITUTIONS HAVE TAKEN SERIOUSLY THEIR DUTY OF CARE TO PROTECT CHILDREN from sexual abuse in England and Wales.
IICSA Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse |
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/
I read this as a precursor to prosecutions, that those in authority neglected their duty to protect children.
Unless Mr Parsonage you believe, drug dealers and CSE pimps are institutions.
Those included in the Goddard inquiry (including Rotherham, Oxford etc) have had some kind of enquiry or review (reason for them being included). The ramifications of the Goddard inquiry will be all encompassing (including your suggested towns and cities).
What is not in question why abusers were allowed to continue, on the contrary why people in authority neglected the plight of victims, and failed in their duty of care.
So tell me clever clogs, is not RMBC an institution of authority, is not the SYP an institution of authority.
I know what you are up to Mr Parsonage!
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Very intresting parsonage and if the goddard report is only investigating the failure of institutions as hotspot says .why would the police be expecting 30000 new cases from it
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You still don’t get it Woody, ask Parsonage.
Sod what this page’s actual focal point is.
“We are seeing a SIGNIFICANT rise in the NUMBER of referrals each month from the Goddard inquiry, AND THESE ALLEGATIONS RELATE TO abuse in a range of INSTITUTIONS from the CHURCH, to SCHOOLS, the SCOUTS and HOSPITALS.” gaurdian report.
Don’t you understand what you read.
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Investigating the extent to which institutions have failed to protect children from sexual abuse
The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse will investigate whether public bodies and other non-state institutions have taken seriously their duty of care to protect children from sexual abuse in England and Wales.
IICSA Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse |
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/
Some don’t even have a clue what they are talking about.
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@Hotspot
“What is the Goddard inquiry about, so let me shout it out.”
People who shout generally have something to hide
Of course you like the Goddard remit, its institutional focus( “this investigation will assess the extent to which a wide range of relevant authorities have learned lessons……”) doesn’t address key issues which were posed by the Oxford Serious Case Review
ie
“The association, not of all CSE but group-based CSE, with mainly Pakistan heritage is undeniable……………”
“With a significant proportion of those found guilty nationally of group CSE being from a
Pakistani and/or Muslim heritage, relevant government departments should research why
this is the case, in order to guide prevention strategies”
This has of course been entirely conspicuous by its absence.
How is it, Hotspot, that Pakistani communities – totalling maybe 1.5 million out of a total UK population of around 65 million have apparently established a near monopoly in “group CSE”, according to the Oxford Review and the extensive trial evidence thus far?
Quite an “achievement” that, so maybe you might try to explain what it is about Pakistani culture that has given rise to these appalling atrocities being committed on such a widespread basis.
As for Goddard in general it’s clearly an exercise in obfuscation and kicking awkward issues into the long grass. It won’t report for 3 years – judging by Chilcot that’ll be at least doubled. Its scope is huge and it will apparently go back decades. That’s a perfect receipe for confusion and getting bogged down and drifting public interest, which will suit some people just fine.
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“As for Goddard in general it’s clearly an exercise in obfuscation and kicking awkward issues into the long grass. ”
… equally, and judging by the reports in the UK press today on Chilcott, it may not be.
Let’s just wait and see.
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@ Parsonage.
I’m actually quite glad you said, people who shout out, I generally think people do to get other peoples attention, try it! It can save lives.
Goddard and childrens commission says between 2012 and march 2014 around 400,000 to 450,00 children were sexually abused.
You keep prattling on about, group based CSE and it’s links is undeniable with Pakistani heritage men. I don’t think anyone denies it.
So what do we know in regards to actual child sexual abuse the majority happens in the home and by people close, actually around 65 to 70%.
Around 75% of sexually abused children are female, but around 98% of abusers are male.
And nationally the proverbial (ethnics) are no higher or lower, in the field of child sexual abuse, or in your area of expertise Parsonage, they are over represented in the field of GROUP BASED child sexual abuse.
Did you ever care to ask anyone what percentage of the remaining 30 to 35% of child sexual abuse is made of. And did it ever occurr to you to ask.
Other types of multiple abusers.
ring
network
gang
group based
peer based
crime based
drug, alcohol, intoxicant based
daily provisions based
They probably all have an element of multiple abusers, you know so much about group based CSE, please give us an idea what % actually accounts for group based.
You know the score for Rotherham Parsonage.
And I hope you are not sick dirty old man.
Our children need protection from all spheres, the likes of you would like our children to be scared by the 5%, and why are you so quite in regards to the other 95%. OR HAVE YOU SOMETHING TO HIDE!
The types of failures by institutions examples below, they range from Whitehall to the common man, you know why still only 1outa 8 victims is recognised by the people who provide protection for children.
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2015-05-07/man-jailed-for-23-years-for-sexually-abusing-boys-in-rotherham/
https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Paedophile-youth-worker-faces-jail-after-triple-rape-verdict
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/abhorrent-paedophile-ring-jailed-total-10137464
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/norwich-paedophile-ring-child-abuse-gang-that-played-poker-decide-who-rape-facing-jail-1521484
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22382/Paedophile-ring-members-facing-jail.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/westminster-paedophile-ring-jailed-charles-4882250
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/paedophile-ring-who-live-streamed-child-rape-are-jailed-for-more-than-100-years-a2945646.html
http://news.stv.tv/east-central/140433-head-teacher-jailed-after-being-linked-to-paedophile-ring/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-ring-travelled-uk-raping-5512024
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345830/Paedophile-Colin-Blanchard-jailed-indefinitely-attacks-nursery-school-children.html
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/mar/16/global-paedophile-ring-smashed
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/29/courts-abuse-paedophile-ring-scotland
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5488501/Female-nursery-worker-arrested-over-paedophile-network-investigation.html
‘World’s largest paedophile ring’ uncovered – BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12762333
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8094861.stm
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/11/seven-members-paedophile-gang-jailed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230898/Beyond-evil-paedophile-gang-raped-babies-toddlers-streamed-vile-crimes-internet-sex-abusers-world-jailed-78-years.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/westminster-paedophile-ring-top-tory-4957409
A hand full Parsonage, you are sick beyond belief, I didn’t include the proverbials you sick sick man. 30,000 cases extra work load as a direct result of this Goddard inquiry this year alone.
What is it being done for, so victims and survivors come forward.
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The fact is, Hotspot, that what Norfolk said is true
“If you come from a rural Mirpuri, Kashmiri community, where, whatever state law says, village tradition and sharia says that puberty is the green light for marriage—as it does—and if you recognise that most girls in this country are hitting puberty at 11 or 12, perhaps one begins to understand why it is not just lone offenders. There has to be something, given that so often this is a normalised group activity—not among a major criminal gang, but among friends, work colleagues and relatives—that does not have the same sense of shame attached to it as would be the case for your typical White offender, who works alone because if he told too many people, somebody would report him.[253]”
“A hand full Parsonage, you are sick beyond belief,”
You have twisted what I said, which was
“Given the demographics if there was any equivalence in terms of proportionality there should have been many, many hundreds of trials involving white British abusing groups/gangs. There haven’t been, it’s a handful.”
And so it is – there have been few white British group/gang CSE convictions. Pakistanis comprise around 2% of the UK population but there have been about 50 group/gang grooming trials – so if there was proportionality there should have been several thousand white British groups/gang trials. Where are all these trials Hotspot?
“So what do we know in regards to actual child sexual abuse the majority happens in the home and by people close, actually around 65 to 70%…….”
This may be the case. But what we are talking about with the Rotherham Model is racially and religiously aggravated/motivated group/gang targeted grooming, mass rape, sexual torture, trafficking, pimping and prostituting – plus various other unpleasant aspects of criminality.
This hardly seems equivalent to abuse carried out by individuals within the family home Nor do we have gangs of priests and teachers and doctors going round the country raping and trafficking on “Rotherham” lines as far as I am aware. Individual perversion has always been with us. But group/gang abuse on such an extraordinarily wide-spread scale is the product of a truly sick and alien culture. The Catholic Church certainly has had serious institutional issues as regards child abuse – but that is within the priesthood, it is not a “normalised group activity” within the body of adherents to the religion.
The case is very different when we have, “friends, work colleagues and relatives” indulging collectively in these vile activities – let’s repeat that, not pervs brought together by the internet but “friends, work colleagues and relatives”
The experience of Samantha in Oldham really does say it all
“She was “abducted” by two Asian men who drove her around Oldham for hours and raped her. They then threw her out of a moving car in the Chadderton area of Oldham. She ran away and asked another man for help. He invited Samantha inside and then dragged her upstairs and sexually assaulted her. She ran away whilst he was calling his friends to come and join him. At that point a taxi driver and his passenger pulled up beside her to ask if she was ok, they said she looked very upset and offered to take her to a police station and then home…..they then took Samantha to a house on Attock Close, took her inside and then locked her in a room where 5 Asian men went on to rape her over and over for nearly 24 hours…..”
Peter McLoughlin – Easy Meat P137
So she’s met 3 random groups of “Asians”, in great distress after the first two encounters – and that’s what they did to her. She was 12 years old.
Our girls have been routinely racially and religiously abused before dreadful things have been done to them
“white bitch, slut, trash….kuffar bitch” I recall from some of the accounts I have read. You are complete hypocrite Hotspot because if gangs of evil Englishmen were doing this to Pakistani girls you would be going mental.
Your purported concern for victims of domestic and institutional abuse cuts no ice, you are using it as cover, it is just sheer cant.
Still we get no answer from you why Pakistanis have established this group CSE near monopoly
“And I hope you are not sick dirty old man.”
I hope you’re not a groomer, though I wouldn’t put money on it.
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Oh I see Mr Parsonage, they’re Muslim, is that what gets your goat.
Oh now I see!
Parsonage is right, and he’s got this one covered, so what you’re actually saying is Muslims can do all of the following as per condition of muslamic law!
They can drink, and force others to do the same.
They can use intoxicants, and force others to do the same.
They can rape in a civilised group, and force others to do the same.
They can abduct people as they please.
They can be in the presence of lone females.
They can have extra marital sex.
Oh I forgot about, when you abuse others make sure you are among family, and friends.
And they can use abusive language.
You are crazy Parsonage.
Maybe culturally like everything, they keep it in the family, and those close by.
I have serious doubts about their cultural habits being from the order of drinking, drug use, abusing the vulnerable, meeting up with females, and raping.
If it’s a debate your looking for in regards to the cultural element, let me kick off with, most of the proverbials implicated appear to be second, third and probably fourth generation citizens. Maybe they have learnt all the traits from us, maybe culturally they do most things like us, and in the field of group based CSE they have surpassed all aspects of assimilation.
I haven’t twisted what you said either, you said “Hand full” I gave you a hand full, and hinted to you that it doesn’t account for 30,000 (most likely historical) cases, as the police suggest, and don’t forget the five, six regional data collection offices set up through the Goddard inquiry.
All victims need justice!
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If anyone feels like this, please contribute, I do use it but I am cut into two every time.
I hate the term “survivor”, and you know why, children have killed through CSE, any child who has been killed are they not a victim.
What is wrong with calling a victim a victim, Parsonage likes to call a spade a spade, check the definition of victim.
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Oh now I see!
Parsonage is right, and he’s got this one covered, so what you’re actually saying is Muslims can do all of the following as per condition of muslamic law!……….
“They can rape in a civilised group, and force others to do the same.
They can abduct people as they please.
They can be in the presence of lone females.
They can have extra marital sex”
You forgot to mention torturing little girls
“Det Insp Simon Morton, of Thames Valley Police, said: “They start out at 11 or 12 as ordinary girls, in our case, and by the time they’re finished they’re hollow.
“They are shells of what they should be and the little girl in there is gone.
“It’s sexual atrocities, it’s torture.
“You can’t report it, you can’t put it on TV, you can’t write it down. We have had members of the press in tears in court.
“It’s been horrendous.””
“Acts of physical and sexual violence escalated into using objects to cause pain and humiliation.
The court heard girls were tied up, burnt, suffocated, bitten, scratched and urinated upon.
”
BBC – 1st Oxford trial
It all works for Boko Haram and Islamic State anyway, so what’s the difference between their vile depravity and Rochdale, Rotherham, Telford, Derby, Oxford and many other towns and cities?
“Maybe they have learnt all the traits from us, maybe culturally they do most things like us, and in the field of group based CSE they have surpassed all aspects of assimilation.”
Who is this “us” exactly?
You may recall that one of the Rotherham victims had the numbers of 177 “Asian” men on her phone
In the 5th Rochdale trial which was concluded recently one of the victims said that she had been pestered for sex by hundreds of men.
This collective depravity which has preyed mercilessly on our little girls certainly isn’t about the native British population, as the Oxford Serious Case Review has made very clear..
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This how I’m reading this Parsonage.
Pedophiles aren’t a problem unless they are Muslim, because boko, isis are (allegedly) Muslim (I think that you will find even the Muslims detest ALL these vile creatures).
And have you justified the rest of the pedophiles, Muslims are the evil pedophiles, and we have good caring pedophiles for our own children. You are sick beyond belief.
You apparently deciphered the holy grail single handedly, but you don’t no what “us” is.
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Way back, before Homosexual practices were legal in UK, Muslim Morocco was a happy hunting ground for Gay men from the West looking for young men.
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RR I’m glad you brought this subject up, that is when you look at Pakistan’s history it has an appetite for young boys, reviled by all religiously and culturally, but it still happens.
I remember the programme “Pakistan’s hidden shame” from a few years ago.
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Hotspot,
please don’t extrapolate from Morocco to Pakistan!
… and certainly not on the basis of something you half remember seeing on TV sometime in the distant past.
I knew Morocco well in the 1960s and 1970s, and can defend everything I could ever write about that country during that period – but I have never spent even a day in Pakistan in my entire life, and frankly have never desired to.
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You are right we don’t go to Pakistan for the abuse of young boys.
Even if it occurred to you in any way that I was extrapolating anything other than the abuse of young boys, and for that, I apologise unreservedly.
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“This how I’m reading this Parsonage.”
Well you aren’t reading it very well because I asked you what’s the difference between the vile sexual slavery of Boko Haram, IS and Rotherham and so many other of our towns and cities.
Not much is surely the answer to this. These practices look very similar to me – if Muslims detest these “vile creatures” as you say one wonders why we have these rape gangs, wherever – as Andrew Norfolk says – there is a “sizeable” Pakistani community.
What we have here is a common system of appalling Muslim sexual slavery evidenced in 3 continents, and your attempt to bat this away by comparison with the overwhelmingly individual abuse pattern we experience in this country, which is no surely worse than any other developed country, is frankly utterly contemptible.
Especially despicable was your attempt to dump this on the unwilling “host” nation
“Maybe they have learnt all the traits from us, maybe culturally they do most things like us, and in the field of group based CSE they have surpassed all aspects of assimilation.”
“but you don’t no what “us” is.”
I certainly know what it isn’t
“Oxford products of first-cousin marriages?”
http://raedwald.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/oxford-products-of-first-cousin.html
“but I have never spent even a day in Pakistan in my entire life, and frankly have never desired to.”
But Pakistan has come to England, reg reader
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A survivor’s story: Trapped in a subculture of child abuse – BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-28228902
“It wasn’t quite a paedophile ring,” says Michael. “More an affiliation of abusers who all knew each other.”
The physical and sexual abuse, Michael says, began at the hands of his sister when he was aged between three and four and continued later when a boyfriend of his mother allegedly seriously sexually assaulted him.
Oh right Parsonage, 600 victims come forward, this is one care home, “INDUSTRIAL SCALE” they say. I suppose this is not group based CSE.
Shirley Oaks News
http://www.shirleyoakssurvivorsassociation.co.uk/#!news/cix6
Don’t worry as time goes on, you will find out the real truth.
A third of the abused children from Rotherham were from care homes weren’t they.
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Parsonage, this is a wee bit more authoritative that what you linked to above:
“Risk factors for congenital anomaly in a multiethnic birth cohort: an analysis of the Born in Bradford study”
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)61132-0/abstract
and commentary here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23183102
“But Pakistan has come to England,” and to put it in context, make up circa 2% of the population.
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“But Pakistan has come to England,” and to put it in context, make up circa 2% of the population.”
And how quickly does their population increase here, RR?
Look at the issues we already have including grooming and terrorism
It’s a highly dangerous settler colonisation event
Delightful stuff
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You might have read your first link a bit better Hotspot
“Deborah Dennis, spokeswoman for the charity Stop it Now, which campaigns to prevent child sexual abuse, said: “Extreme cases such as this, which involve organised abuse, do happen but, thankfully, they are rare”
Which is what I have been saying, except of course for Pakistani/Muslim grooming groups/gangs which are now commonplace and have been for at least a couple of decades
“Council documents seen by the BBC do indeed refer to Michael having a “dissociative personality disorder” and makes various other suggestions about his mental health…..”
Sounds quite possible he might have come out of the same stable as this lot
“A supposed corroborating witness for some of Nick’s claims of abuse, Darren, is a convicted bomb-hoaxer. And a third, David, told Panorama that he had been pressured into saying he was present while abuse took place by another accuser, Chris Fay.
Panorama tracked down a boy Fay claimed had been at the Elm House guest house, one site of the supposed abuse – and he said he had simply not been there.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/11916673/The-BBC-should-be-praised-for-bringing-cold-facts-to-the-VIP-paedophile-ring-clamour.html
What we have seen with Operation Midland for example is that fantasists can make the most bizarre accusations at no risk to themselves. The case is rather different with “Rotherham” style grooming where extreme violence and threats are employed to stop victims going to the police – dousing little girls with petrol, threatening to cut of a victim’s face, to burn down the family home, to rape a mother on the carpet of the family home, to slit a father’s throat etc.
Lambeth – we will see
But there are 30 towns and cities where young victims and their families have been subjected to a distinctive style of imported gang abuse(which bears very strong similarity to IS and Boko Haram) – as per the records of trials thus far, which is obviously the tip of the iceberg, as the Jay Report has conclusively demonstrated. This is a horror of unprecedented proportions.
Why should English people – for the most part – have had to put with this unwanted imported horror, and all the lies and cover ups that have been part and parcel of it!
I note you didn’t care the religious and racial element here, Hotspot
where our victims were called
“white bitch, slut, trash…..kaffir bitch” and so forth
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You mentioned Deborah Dennis. ..Ahh 600 victims rare she says. Don’t worry that is the reason for the Goddard inquiry.
I suppose we’d muster up someone from RMBC who’d think like Deborah.
You keep bringing up racial abuse and foul language that perpetrators used, yes I am mindful not to touch on this subject, it may give you pleasure, as a victim of abuse, I can assure you verbal abuse is the least of my worries in such depraved cases.
Didn’t Jay mention the other end of the spectrum, that predominantly (well actually they all were weren’t they) people in charge of all services at RMBC were white.
I suppose they were Muslims too.
I’m actually starting to see where you’re coming from, ISIS and Boko’s have killed more Muslims and raped more Muslims than any other person, don’t Muslims say they are not Muslim.
I also suppose that you would call it antisemitic to say why isn’t Goddard looking into, abuse in the Jewish community in the UK. Apparently it’s completely off anyone’s remit or is it.
Justice for all.
I actually didn’t believe that I would ever come across a deep fried biggot.
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“You keep bringing up racial abuse and foul language that perpetrators used, yes I am mindful not to touch on this subject, it may give you pleasure, as a victim of abuse, I can assure you verbal abuse is the least of my worries in such depraved cases.”
What a load of slippery bs that was. Of course you don’t want to “touch on this subject” – because it demonstrates unequivocally the racial and religious roots of the Pakistani/Muslim grooming epidemic. Stop trying to deflect attention away from this by making unverifiable claims about abuse that you say you suffered.
“I’m actually starting to see where you’re coming from, ISIS and Boko’s have killed more Muslims and raped more Muslims than any other person, don’t Muslims say they are not Muslim.”
They have instituted sexual slavery for non Muslims in Nigeria and in Syria/Iraq; This is the same pattern we see across England perpetrated by their co-religionists here, notably in Rochdale and Rotherham. There is very considerable commonality here, why is this?
As the IS Caliph has a Phd in Islamic Studies his opinion of whether they or Muslim or not certainly outweighs yours
I expect that you would say the ex-Archbishop of Mosul is a “biggot”(sic) too
“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future. I lost my diocese. The physical setting of my apostolate has been occupied by Islamic radicals who want us converted or dead. But my community is still alive.
Please, try to understand us. Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims. Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles. You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.”
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/08/archbishop-of-mosul-i-have-lost-my.html
The girls of Rotheram, Rochdale, Oxford, Telford, Derby, Preston, Keighley etc etc etc, and their families, have already become victims
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You would believe in any thing other than the truth, Parsonage.
I’m shocked by your disbelief in my abuse, is this not the ultimate reason why victims don’t come forward, as they won’t be believed.
I suppose in your sick world, any thing is explainable by your perverse ideology of fitting any thing to any other thing. So on the law of averages how would you explain Deep Cut, mmm…let me get this one right…ah it was done in the name of Queen and country.
Did you know we have more registered pedophiles who are indigenous to our beloved UK, than there are militant Boko’s and ISIS’s put together, and just ~ double the number again to find how many actually on the sex offenders register.
Does it ever occurr to you how much our children need our help, you don’t even care, you are Mr know it all, you single handedly will continue to cure all ailments of society. Like a blind dog ruffled by the blowing wind.
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What the jihadists who bought “Islam for Dummies” on Amazon tell us about radicalisation
http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2014/08/what-jihadists-who-bought-islam-dummies-amazon-tell-us-about-radicalisation
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Why would a 2010 report in 2014 be updated. Especially just after the Jay Report.
Update 28/8/2014
This article originally said that Table 4 of the CEOP showed a majority of Asian offenders were of Pakistani origin. This was incorrect, and that part of the sentence has been removed.
Why Mr Parsonage!
Are Asians disproportionately represented in prosecutions for sex offences? – Full Fact
https://fullfact.org/news/are-asians-disproportionately-represented-prosecutions-sex-offences/
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“I’m shocked by your disbelief in my abuse………………………………”
Well it did come over as straight out of TellMama’s Big Book of deceit, I gather the term is taqiya – as in “grievance mongering taqiya merchant” – for which comment of course Mughal had Tim Burton prosecuted – and the case was thrown out.
It is pointless posting a link last updated in May 2012, before a number of additional group’gang grooming trials had taken place(eg Oxford, Leicester, Rochdale(trial 4), Middlesborough, Leeds(1), Chesham, Burton, Sheffield, Leeds(2), Oldham, Leeds(3), Aylesbury, Rochdale(5), Keighley, Rotherham(2) – and critically before the Oxford Serious Case Review and Jay drilled down in 2 localities and discovered the extent of the “Asian” grooming epidemic there.
The Oxford Serious Case Review verdict “”The association, not of all CSE but group-based CSE, with mainly Pakistan heritage is undeniable………………….” is authoritative and stands however much you try to wriggle out of it.
CEOP actually is heavily criticised in Peter McLoughlin’s “Easy Meat”, and if you want an analysis of that organisation failings you will have to consult the book
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